Comments on: Nourish to Benefit from Moonglow and Wild Growth HoT (and Blues)

By: InspiredOgre » Blog Archive

InspiredOgre » Blog Archive — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:30:41 +0000

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By: Phaelia

Phaelia — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:11:45 +0000

@Likas: Yes, the reduced mana cost from Moonglow is included.

By: Likas

Likas — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:19:53 +0000

Thanks for the great analyses!
One clarification question – did you factor in Moonglow for the revised Nourish numbers?

By: Phaelia

Phaelia — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:57:46 +0000

@Yonisos: In the above, Regrowth is assumed to have a 60% crit rate. The resulting reduced casting time from Nature’s Grace is also taken into account. All of this is described above.

@JKong: You can *definitely* borrow that phrase any time you want. =)

By: Yonisos

Yonisos — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:08:06 +0000

Do you take the fact that regrowth have near 70% (in raid condition)a chance to crit in your graphs? Personnaly, with this high crit probability and wtih a good template -0,5s on ne next cast, a very long hot (1K/tick)and a good swiftmend oportunity and the seed, i don’t think that i’ll spam nourish in the futur.
I only use nourish when my swiftmend, nature swiftness or nature grace are not ready. This situation is very rare.
I don’t understand some statement:
I can care every heal role on every encounter: tank healing on patchwerk, raid heal on thadius etc… I didn’t know a situation that a healer can care that the druid not (maybe it will be easier for a pal to heal a tank ok).
And we can be THE top healer on each event on LK (except horreb).
On my last Naxxramas with 6 healers, i made 24% of the heal, the priest behind made only 18%.
I play in a decent guilde witch clean every event of LK (Sartharion+3adds) etc… so i don’t think that our priest,sham or pal are lammers.

By: jkong

jkong — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:49:32 +0000

@Daniel

Precisely my point As I said, I play druid because it is versatile. And also entertain my 4yrs old daughter the fact that it can shape shift!! She will go, papa turn into bear, .. no no.. I want seal.. I want lion…. etc.

Priest, as the traditional role, much like cleric, has always been, primarily a healer – they excel and is strong in it. So be it.

I still love my tree. If I can borrow the site name, I am Resto4Life.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:59:42 +0000

@jkong

And I think that’s the way it should be. I might argue that as healers Druids are over powered still, even under your analysis. The great advantage of the Druid as a class is that it can play all the roles (DPS, Healing, Tank) with just a respec. That flexibility has to come at a cost. If the Druid could be #1 tank, #1 healer, #1 DPS why would anyone play anything other than a Druid?

I always think of the Druid as “Jack of all trades, master of none.” And I think that’s the way it should be. If you want to be the best at any one role, roll another class. Don’t play a Druid.

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Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:10:59 +0000

[...] if you haven’t read this post over at Resto4Life concerning the changes to Nourish in the new patch, you should 1) update your [...]

By: jkong

jkong — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:06:28 +0000

My comment specifically to WG change to Nourish? It is unreliable.

WG heals random target; not designated. It is possible in a 25man raid that even if you spam WG 3 times, and there are few does not get the tick; the only person certain to get the WG tick, is the person you targeted when you click WG it seems.

As healers and raiders, we want to minimize randomness, yes? So personally I will still stick to reju / lifebloom / regrowth to my assigned heal targets).

Nourish will remains as flash heal sub 1.5seconds cast to patch dying raiders fast.

The change is welcome as a side bonus, but not a real buff imo.

Not a big fans of 4T7 bonus as well – in reality, except for dedicated tank healing which are mostly assigned to Pally/Priest, how often we find rolling more than 1 type of HOTs on raider? Very situational.

By: jkong

jkong — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:55:53 +0000

I am saying all things equal (skill/latency/buffs) as stated in my comments, in theory, priest will be the all rounder healer that will fit the bills.

This also echo what the developers think, which is why the developer made the comment in the first place.

I didn’t say we are weak, if you read, and I quote myself

“Where as druids generally excel in raid healing – still lag behind, not far, but still behind what a priest or a pally can output for single target heal.”

We are “NOT FAR” but priest does it better. Before you comment I ask that you read my post clearly.

I certainly didn’t write what I wrote because of some priest out-healed me, I myself can beat priest on meter as wells in raids.

However, I am saying, and again, all things equal, priest is still, the all-round healer that can replaces the other healers effectively in the current game design.

My point of bringing this up is in response on all ppl that react to the developer statement that if you bring all priests to a 25man raid, you’ll be fine and not gimping the raid, heal wise.

Can you clear 25man Naxx/OS/EoE with only pally healers, yeah you probably can.

Can you clear 25man Naxx/OS/EoE with only druid healers, I think you should be able to.

Can you clear 25man Naxx/OS/EoE with only priest healers, yes you can.

Difference is subtle.