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		<title>By: Phaelia</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/17/mailbag-patch-302/comment-page-1/#comment-6993</link>
		<dc:creator>Phaelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fiord: No, we can&#039;t use Swiftmend to steal Riptide. I believe it&#039;s described as only working on Rejuvenation and Regrowth. Otherwise, we&#039;d have been able to steal Renews and Lifebloom. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fiord: No, we can&#8217;t use Swiftmend to steal Riptide. I believe it&#8217;s described as only working on Rejuvenation and Regrowth. Otherwise, we&#8217;d have been able to steal Renews and Lifebloom. <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anula</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/17/mailbag-patch-302/comment-page-1/#comment-6887</link>
		<dc:creator>Anula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ALWAYS get pawned on healing meters by COH priests. I usually come on as 4th on healing meter sometimes 3rd (if we have no holy pally with us) who spams crap out of his flash heal and his flash heal glyph does a lot of healing too.

My cycling on tanks as following : Lifebloom, lifebloom, rejuv, lifebloom, regrowth, lifebloom x3, wild growth (there are 3 tanks in that group). Then I just try to spam lifebloom and rejuv on targets in raid that take most damage.

The other night in BT holy pally even beat COH priests he did 2400 healing! It was never like that pre patch. I think they are overpowered on healing. I also think Wild Growth needs a boost. If Blizz wanted us to heal and gave us a healing tree to choose between dps/tank then they should give us as many healing options as COH priests have. Making one or two classes superior to other healers is just dumb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ALWAYS get pawned on healing meters by COH priests. I usually come on as 4th on healing meter sometimes 3rd (if we have no holy pally with us) who spams crap out of his flash heal and his flash heal glyph does a lot of healing too.</p>
<p>My cycling on tanks as following : Lifebloom, lifebloom, rejuv, lifebloom, regrowth, lifebloom x3, wild growth (there are 3 tanks in that group). Then I just try to spam lifebloom and rejuv on targets in raid that take most damage.</p>
<p>The other night in BT holy pally even beat COH priests he did 2400 healing! It was never like that pre patch. I think they are overpowered on healing. I also think Wild Growth needs a boost. If Blizz wanted us to heal and gave us a healing tree to choose between dps/tank then they should give us as many healing options as COH priests have. Making one or two classes superior to other healers is just dumb</p>
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		<title>By: Ízisz</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/17/mailbag-patch-302/comment-page-1/#comment-6881</link>
		<dc:creator>Ízisz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recount is pretty much bugged at the moment, it shows overhealing as effective healing. So if you see CoH priests and paladins healing at 3000-4000 HPS, have a deep breath and wait for WWS, it shows the real numbers - where we should still come at around #1-#3. If you sort the charts by raw healing done (you have to check that option) it should look like Recount basically. For several days I was also very depressed to see myself dropping to the bottom of the meters, but yesterday&#039;s Sunwell raid (where we could use WWS again) reassured that trees are fine. Cheer up fellow trees. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recount is pretty much bugged at the moment, it shows overhealing as effective healing. So if you see CoH priests and paladins healing at 3000-4000 HPS, have a deep breath and wait for WWS, it shows the real numbers &#8211; where we should still come at around #1-#3. If you sort the charts by raw healing done (you have to check that option) it should look like Recount basically. For several days I was also very depressed to see myself dropping to the bottom of the meters, but yesterday&#8217;s Sunwell raid (where we could use WWS again) reassured that trees are fine. Cheer up fellow trees. <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fiord</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/17/mailbag-patch-302/comment-page-1/#comment-6870</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so BTW - does anybody know if we can Swiftmend-steal Riptide?
BECAUSE I&#039;D LOVE TO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so BTW &#8211; does anybody know if we can Swiftmend-steal Riptide?<br />
BECAUSE I&#8217;D LOVE TO!</p>
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		<title>By: Keeva</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/17/mailbag-patch-302/comment-page-1/#comment-6863</link>
		<dc:creator>Keeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lifebloom was still doing the majority of my healing last night on M&#039;uru, with Wild Growth a fairly close second. I won&#039;t be retiring it just yet. But I never really used LB for raid healing, so where other people are feeling disappointed in that area, I&#039;m not missing it. It&#039;s still useful for what I always did - tank healing - so to me it probably feels like a much smaller nerf than my raid-healing counterparts.

It was very comforting to be back up to #1/#2 on the meters. I think it demonstrated clearly to me that in BT and Hyjal where we outgear the fights, other healers can afford to spam and not really stick to their jobs - which pushes us further down the meters. Your mileage will vary according to raid makeup, number of healers, etc. In harder content though, it appears that people have to be more careful with their GCDs and mana, which means they&#039;re not encroaching so much on our territory (and I can finally squeeze some heals in!).

I was keeping LB &amp; Rejuv on two tanks, plus throwing buffer heals on the groups near me, with the odd Swiftmend, Regrowth, NS/HT, and even Tranquility. I have my fingers firmly crossed that this is the kind of healing I&#039;ll be doing in WotLK - maintaining HoTs on one or two tanks, and then throwing out those buffers to the raid (which will be easier when I can pick up Splendor). It was definitely a lot of fun to use pretty much everything in my arsenal in one fight - very refreshing after being so bored in BT/Hyjal.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Keevas last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://treebarkjacket.blogspot.com/2008/10/twins-muru-back-on-top.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twins, M&#039;uru - back on top!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lifebloom was still doing the majority of my healing last night on M&#8217;uru, with Wild Growth a fairly close second. I won&#8217;t be retiring it just yet. But I never really used LB for raid healing, so where other people are feeling disappointed in that area, I&#8217;m not missing it. It&#8217;s still useful for what I always did &#8211; tank healing &#8211; so to me it probably feels like a much smaller nerf than my raid-healing counterparts.</p>
<p>It was very comforting to be back up to #1/#2 on the meters. I think it demonstrated clearly to me that in BT and Hyjal where we outgear the fights, other healers can afford to spam and not really stick to their jobs &#8211; which pushes us further down the meters. Your mileage will vary according to raid makeup, number of healers, etc. In harder content though, it appears that people have to be more careful with their GCDs and mana, which means they&#8217;re not encroaching so much on our territory (and I can finally squeeze some heals in!).</p>
<p>I was keeping LB &amp; Rejuv on two tanks, plus throwing buffer heals on the groups near me, with the odd Swiftmend, Regrowth, NS/HT, and even Tranquility. I have my fingers firmly crossed that this is the kind of healing I&#8217;ll be doing in WotLK &#8211; maintaining HoTs on one or two tanks, and then throwing out those buffers to the raid (which will be easier when I can pick up Splendor). It was definitely a lot of fun to use pretty much everything in my arsenal in one fight &#8211; very refreshing after being so bored in BT/Hyjal.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Keevas last blog post..<a href="http://treebarkjacket.blogspot.com/2008/10/twins-muru-back-on-top.html" rel="nofollow">Twins, M&#8217;uru &#8211; back on top!</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Heike</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/17/mailbag-patch-302/comment-page-1/#comment-6859</link>
		<dc:creator>Heike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really, really hard to tell right now how things are, because it feels like nobody is taking serious damage!  A couple of times in Hyjal I just started dropping hurricanes (no cooldown = love) on mobs, alternating with a rejuv or wild growth on the tank. And I&#039;m fairly sure that the other healers mixed a lot more DPS into their rotation than they normally did.

Having said that, I went from consistently #1 or #2 on healing (depending on if the fight was particularly sweet to our shaman) to still #1 by a couple percentage points.  Followed by one of our priests with our other resto druid in #3.  We were all fairly close, though, I think I was at 15% heal, the priest at 13% and the other druid at 12%.

That was in an 8/53 point build, going for Wild Growth and with nothing in HT.  I picked up the rejuv glyph but not the healing touch one yet - I am not sure if I want to try to work it into the rotation, with regrowth being so strong.  I really wish we had our regrowth glyph available.

Anyway, this is just to say that in healing T4 and T5 content as it stands, resto druid healing was solidly in the lead.  My real concern was how weak our shaman healing was - the resto shaman that is normally competing with me for #1 was sixth or seventh in healing last night.  I don&#039;t know how much was rotation - he mentioned he&#039;s not sure how to handle some of his changes yet and he&#039;s still experimenting.  I gotta say that Riptide SOUNDS awesome, but there wasn&#039;t a lot of opportunity to use it.

In 5 mans, heroic sethekk (still no bird mount, sadness!) was cake to heal.  The only deaths/wipe was when the main tank WOULD get controlled by totems and kill me.  Darn his shiny DPS. Or maybe darn ours for slacking on totem killing because they were entranced with new spells and skills :p  Anyway, wild growth was tremendous fun for healing splash damage.  Omen of Clarity seems to proc a TON and I pretty much use a wild growth every time it does unless there&#039;s no chance that anybody but the tank would take damage.  Because hey, free is free.

Horseman was a joke and I ended up wrath-spamming and moonfiring with a rejuv on the tank oh, every 30 minutes or something :p  Very fun.  

But the main thing is, nothing feels real right now.  The next 3 weeks are going to be fun, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll really know how healing stands until level 80.  I&#039;m much happier now than I thought I would be a few weeks ago.

Lifebloom is really not worth casting any longer, though.  I no longer have it bound to the same key in order to try to break myself of the habit.  I do tend to try to toss or stack it on the main tank, but it&#039;s no longer my favorite raid heal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really, really hard to tell right now how things are, because it feels like nobody is taking serious damage!  A couple of times in Hyjal I just started dropping hurricanes (no cooldown = love) on mobs, alternating with a rejuv or wild growth on the tank. And I&#8217;m fairly sure that the other healers mixed a lot more DPS into their rotation than they normally did.</p>
<p>Having said that, I went from consistently #1 or #2 on healing (depending on if the fight was particularly sweet to our shaman) to still #1 by a couple percentage points.  Followed by one of our priests with our other resto druid in #3.  We were all fairly close, though, I think I was at 15% heal, the priest at 13% and the other druid at 12%.</p>
<p>That was in an 8/53 point build, going for Wild Growth and with nothing in HT.  I picked up the rejuv glyph but not the healing touch one yet &#8211; I am not sure if I want to try to work it into the rotation, with regrowth being so strong.  I really wish we had our regrowth glyph available.</p>
<p>Anyway, this is just to say that in healing T4 and T5 content as it stands, resto druid healing was solidly in the lead.  My real concern was how weak our shaman healing was &#8211; the resto shaman that is normally competing with me for #1 was sixth or seventh in healing last night.  I don&#8217;t know how much was rotation &#8211; he mentioned he&#8217;s not sure how to handle some of his changes yet and he&#8217;s still experimenting.  I gotta say that Riptide SOUNDS awesome, but there wasn&#8217;t a lot of opportunity to use it.</p>
<p>In 5 mans, heroic sethekk (still no bird mount, sadness!) was cake to heal.  The only deaths/wipe was when the main tank WOULD get controlled by totems and kill me.  Darn his shiny DPS. Or maybe darn ours for slacking on totem killing because they were entranced with new spells and skills :p  Anyway, wild growth was tremendous fun for healing splash damage.  Omen of Clarity seems to proc a TON and I pretty much use a wild growth every time it does unless there&#8217;s no chance that anybody but the tank would take damage.  Because hey, free is free.</p>
<p>Horseman was a joke and I ended up wrath-spamming and moonfiring with a rejuv on the tank oh, every 30 minutes or something :p  Very fun.  </p>
<p>But the main thing is, nothing feels real right now.  The next 3 weeks are going to be fun, but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll really know how healing stands until level 80.  I&#8217;m much happier now than I thought I would be a few weeks ago.</p>
<p>Lifebloom is really not worth casting any longer, though.  I no longer have it bound to the same key in order to try to break myself of the habit.  I do tend to try to toss or stack it on the main tank, but it&#8217;s no longer my favorite raid heal.</p>
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		<title>By: Phaelia</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/17/mailbag-patch-302/comment-page-1/#comment-6849</link>
		<dc:creator>Phaelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thank you all very much for the amazing feedback about your experiences since the release of 3.0.2! It sounds very much like a mixed bag of bad and good, with most feeling the pain of the HPS nerf to Lifebloom pretty acutely. This loss has caused some to rejoice who hated being chained to maintaining tedious LB rotations in much of TBC content. Overall, most seem to enjoy how much more dynamic our healing style seems, even with the Lifebloom nerf.

It  seems like the excess of additional mana combined with shorter fights is definitely hitting Druids harder than most since other healers don&#039;t have to curb their enthusiastic spam of AoE heals like Chain Heal and Circle of Healing. Most seem to be enjoying Wild Growth, to the point of it matching or surpassing the effective healing from Lifebloom. EVERYONE (that posts here) is enjoying Revive.

People disagree about how downranking will affect us. I think I&#039;m in agreement with Yggdrasil that it could potentially make the HPS buffer from HoTs MORE important than before since many will withhold their larger heals for longer. Of course, this comes at the same time that our primary HPS delivery tool (Lifebloom) was signficantly nerfed so that&#039;s pretty much one step forward, one step back. I&#039;d love to see Rejuvenation converted to a HoT that ticks every second (with corresponding changes to Replenish and a 2/3 reduction in the amount it ticks for), but I doubt it will happen.

Many of you seem to think that this is NOT a good indication of how things will be at 80 and are just going with the flow of your guilds, enjoying the &quot;senior week&quot; of TBC (wonderful analogy, by the way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thank you all very much for the amazing feedback about your experiences since the release of 3.0.2! It sounds very much like a mixed bag of bad and good, with most feeling the pain of the HPS nerf to Lifebloom pretty acutely. This loss has caused some to rejoice who hated being chained to maintaining tedious LB rotations in much of TBC content. Overall, most seem to enjoy how much more dynamic our healing style seems, even with the Lifebloom nerf.</p>
<p>It  seems like the excess of additional mana combined with shorter fights is definitely hitting Druids harder than most since other healers don&#8217;t have to curb their enthusiastic spam of AoE heals like Chain Heal and Circle of Healing. Most seem to be enjoying Wild Growth, to the point of it matching or surpassing the effective healing from Lifebloom. EVERYONE (that posts here) is enjoying Revive.</p>
<p>People disagree about how downranking will affect us. I think I&#8217;m in agreement with Yggdrasil that it could potentially make the HPS buffer from HoTs MORE important than before since many will withhold their larger heals for longer. Of course, this comes at the same time that our primary HPS delivery tool (Lifebloom) was signficantly nerfed so that&#8217;s pretty much one step forward, one step back. I&#8217;d love to see Rejuvenation converted to a HoT that ticks every second (with corresponding changes to Replenish and a 2/3 reduction in the amount it ticks for), but I doubt it will happen.</p>
<p>Many of you seem to think that this is NOT a good indication of how things will be at 80 and are just going with the flow of your guilds, enjoying the &#8220;senior week&#8221; of TBC (wonderful analogy, by the way).</p>
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		<title>By: Cusper</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/17/mailbag-patch-302/comment-page-1/#comment-6847</link>
		<dc:creator>Cusper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guild has downed Illy a few times pre-patch and now we have downed Brutallus with the insane nerfs of bosses and boost to all other classes.  I would have to say that as druid healer, I was one of those LB rolling on tanks druids and I was good at it... Now I am trying to figure out a new rotation and I am having a little difficulty.  I am glyphed for Rejuv and HT and I love the &#039;flash heal&#039; I get from it.  But I am still having difficulty with trying to figure out what type of healer I want to be.  

And I run through mana like it is nobody&#039;s business, especially during 5-mans.  I used to be able to keep LBs up on a tank but now I cant as the mana cost has almost doubled and it ticks for less.  So now what do you do there?   

Zackoria - I am using grid and a new version of the GridStatusHots version of it... If you look on curse someone, I think Yang, fixed it and it works now for WG.  I love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guild has downed Illy a few times pre-patch and now we have downed Brutallus with the insane nerfs of bosses and boost to all other classes.  I would have to say that as druid healer, I was one of those LB rolling on tanks druids and I was good at it&#8230; Now I am trying to figure out a new rotation and I am having a little difficulty.  I am glyphed for Rejuv and HT and I love the &#8216;flash heal&#8217; I get from it.  But I am still having difficulty with trying to figure out what type of healer I want to be.  </p>
<p>And I run through mana like it is nobody&#8217;s business, especially during 5-mans.  I used to be able to keep LBs up on a tank but now I cant as the mana cost has almost doubled and it ticks for less.  So now what do you do there?   </p>
<p>Zackoria &#8211; I am using grid and a new version of the GridStatusHots version of it&#8230; If you look on curse someone, I think Yang, fixed it and it works now for WG.  I love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Cyrin</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/17/mailbag-patch-302/comment-page-1/#comment-6845</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all the server issues we&#039;ve had on my server, nobody has really been running much of anything.  My guild did pull off a kara though, and while the lifebloom nerf was a vast amount, I feel I could have solo heal&#039;d the entire thing.

With 2k bonus healing before the patch (1066 spellpower now), a full lifebloom stack would tick nicely for roughly 838 every tick.  Now I&#039;m seeing 679 every tick.  Despite the loss of HPS, my new talent spec makes my spells go off 30% quicker so throwing multiple lifeblooms out then hitting a wild growth out on top of it is really nothing.

I was really dismayed with the nerf to lifebloom but the new spells have added a level of excitement that wasn&#039;t there before.  I&#039;m still top of the healing meter but at least now, the other healers in my guild are actually trying to beat me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the server issues we&#8217;ve had on my server, nobody has really been running much of anything.  My guild did pull off a kara though, and while the lifebloom nerf was a vast amount, I feel I could have solo heal&#8217;d the entire thing.</p>
<p>With 2k bonus healing before the patch (1066 spellpower now), a full lifebloom stack would tick nicely for roughly 838 every tick.  Now I&#8217;m seeing 679 every tick.  Despite the loss of HPS, my new talent spec makes my spells go off 30% quicker so throwing multiple lifeblooms out then hitting a wild growth out on top of it is really nothing.</p>
<p>I was really dismayed with the nerf to lifebloom but the new spells have added a level of excitement that wasn&#8217;t there before.  I&#8217;m still top of the healing meter but at least now, the other healers in my guild are actually trying to beat me <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zackoria</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/17/mailbag-patch-302/comment-page-1/#comment-6840</link>
		<dc:creator>Zackoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We started on Felmyst tonight and Wild Growth is made for that aura. We stopped using CoH priests after the first attempt. Me and my fellow trees have been having WG tracking issues though. What does everyone else use? I assume Grid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We started on Felmyst tonight and Wild Growth is made for that aura. We stopped using CoH priests after the first attempt. Me and my fellow trees have been having WG tracking issues though. What does everyone else use? I assume Grid?</p>
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