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	<title>Comments on: Ghostcrawler Defends Druids&#8217; Out of Combat Rez</title>
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		<title>By: Gimickey my ASS! &#171; Secret Agent Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gimickey my ASS! &#171; Secret Agent Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There were a lot of people less-than-happy about Blizzard&#8217;s paradigm shift moving into Wrath. A lot of people cautioned about and bemoaned what had the potential of turning into a rather nasty infection of Big Green Blob Syndrome. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There were a lot of people less-than-happy about Blizzard&#8217;s paradigm shift moving into Wrath. A lot of people cautioned about and bemoaned what had the potential of turning into a rather nasty infection of Big Green Blob Syndrome. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phaelia</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/08/ghostcrawler-defends-druids-out-of-combat-rez/comment-page-1/#comment-7504</link>
		<dc:creator>Phaelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Willy: The Druid&#039;s advantage to being able to rez in combat has nothing to do with their ability to rez out of combat. The former affects how successful a group is in combat, the latter is simply a way of making it convenient when someone dies. It was an arbitrary handicap designed to make Druids less desirable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Willy: The Druid&#8217;s advantage to being able to rez in combat has nothing to do with their ability to rez out of combat. The former affects how successful a group is in combat, the latter is simply a way of making it convenient when someone dies. It was an arbitrary handicap designed to make Druids less desirable.</p>
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		<title>By: Willy Donuts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willy Donuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does make sense though. Tht was the Druid&#039;s advantage to being able to rez in combat, so now that they have both is somewhat unfair, but not game breaking, more like a hook-up for having a druid in the party that can rez in any situation (except their own death)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Willy Donutss last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ghostin.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/im-stuck/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I’m stuck&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does make sense though. Tht was the Druid&#8217;s advantage to being able to rez in combat, so now that they have both is somewhat unfair, but not game breaking, more like a hook-up for having a druid in the party that can rez in any situation (except their own death)</p>
<p><abbr><em>Willy Donutss last blog post..<a href="http://ghostin.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/im-stuck/" rel="nofollow">I’m stuck</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Phaelia</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/10/08/ghostcrawler-defends-druids-out-of-combat-rez/comment-page-1/#comment-7303</link>
		<dc:creator>Phaelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aleketa: Everyone should be able to interrupt a 10-second cast. It isn&#039;t as though teammates don&#039;t know where the deaders happen to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aleketa: Everyone should be able to interrupt a 10-second cast. It isn&#8217;t as though teammates don&#8217;t know where the deaders happen to be.</p>
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		<title>By: aleketa</title>
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		<dc:creator>aleketa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whereas giving druids an ooc rez is perfectly fine for dungeons, those of you who think it doesn&#039;t effect balance must not arena much.  Giving the most dominant arena healer the ability to run away-&gt;stealth-&gt;rez team member is certainly a balance adjustment, to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whereas giving druids an ooc rez is perfectly fine for dungeons, those of you who think it doesn&#8217;t effect balance must not arena much.  Giving the most dominant arena healer the ability to run away-&gt;stealth-&gt;rez team member is certainly a balance adjustment, to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Phaelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phaelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stupid Mage: I tend to agree. Reincarnate is supposed to be their special answer to Rebirth. It&#039;s essentially a guaranteed &quot;do over&quot; in raids.

@Yggdrasil: I agree that Roots isn&#039;t as easy to use as Polymorph, but it does work on far more targets. You can even use it on a casting mob as long as you root her out of line of sight (and move into line of sight to refresh it). This, combined with a 6-3-1.5 second Cyclone change can be debilitating to a spellcaster mob.

I was also under the impression that Blizzard has said that roots cannot break from its own damage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stupid Mage: I tend to agree. Reincarnate is supposed to be their special answer to Rebirth. It&#8217;s essentially a guaranteed &#8220;do over&#8221; in raids.</p>
<p>@Yggdrasil: I agree that Roots isn&#8217;t as easy to use as Polymorph, but it does work on far more targets. You can even use it on a casting mob as long as you root her out of line of sight (and move into line of sight to refresh it). This, combined with a 6-3-1.5 second Cyclone change can be debilitating to a spellcaster mob.</p>
<p>I was also under the impression that Blizzard has said that roots cannot break from its own damage?</p>
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		<title>By: Yggdrasil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yggdrasil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ C. Jones- Well, lets also remember, Entangling Roots isn&#039;t all that awesome as CC. Better than nothing, and better than what we had (next to nothing), but hardly fantastic at all. It will only be helpful in keeping another melee-only mob from joining the fray (generally the easiest type of mob to deal with in my experience), and lets not forget the &quot;chance to break on damage&quot; mechanic it has (painful because it can break on its own damage), meaning that an early break will be quite possible, and totally unpredictable. 

I don&#039;t think anyone will be (or should be) afraid of Druids taking their raid slot through CC alone, although that does depend on the amount of Dragonkin/Beasts we see in instances in Wrath, but that has very little to do with Entangling Roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ C. Jones- Well, lets also remember, Entangling Roots isn&#8217;t all that awesome as CC. Better than nothing, and better than what we had (next to nothing), but hardly fantastic at all. It will only be helpful in keeping another melee-only mob from joining the fray (generally the easiest type of mob to deal with in my experience), and lets not forget the &#8220;chance to break on damage&#8221; mechanic it has (painful because it can break on its own damage), meaning that an early break will be quite possible, and totally unpredictable. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone will be (or should be) afraid of Druids taking their raid slot through CC alone, although that does depend on the amount of Dragonkin/Beasts we see in instances in Wrath, but that has very little to do with Entangling Roots.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Jess.. » Imbalanced? Huh?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady Jess.. » Imbalanced? Huh?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seen a post over at The Queen Tree’s blog about the druids new out of combat rez being seen as imbalanced by other healing classes. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stupid Mage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stupid Mage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Shaman was bitching about an out of combat rez?
They have self-rez.  I don&#039;t see the problem.</description>
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They have self-rez.  I don&#8217;t see the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Phaelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phaelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kadomi: Thanks for the support. I&#039;m sure a Druid will rez you in thanks. :-)


@Andurial: Agree 100%. To all the people who posted &quot;this is a dead horse WAH WAH!&quot; on all the &quot;WAAAAHHHH We need a normal rez!&quot; threads over the years, &quot;NANNY NANNY BOO BOO!&quot; (What can I say? It&#039;s Friday, and I&#039;m not feeling especially mature. ^_^)

@Oni: Oh, I think Ferals are going to really like having Revive, at least in 5-mans. They will be able to resurrect their healer if things go bad, just like Paladins. I can&#039;t count the number of times I&#039;ve died only to see the rest of my group win an encounter. It&#039;s quite depressing when it happens, because you still have to walk back!

@Karthis: Yes, but Ret/Prot Paladins, Shadow/Disc Priests, and Elemental/Enhancement Shamans have access to a resurrection by virtue of having a healing-based tree. It wouldn&#039;t make sense to deny it to Feral and Balance Druids, at least in my mind.

@Lotha: Slacker!

@Kwast: We might not have Shackle Undead, but I think both Entangling Roots and Hibernate will see much more use in the Wrath 5-mans! Woot!

@Runycat: If by &quot;army of Liches&quot; you mean, &quot;unfortunate healers,&quot; I&#039;ll believe you!

@Ryukyu: I didn&#039;t know that about Repentance. That&#039;s really cool. And I hadn&#039;t even though of the possibility of Divine Intervention, either. It will be a lot easier to call out over Vent &quot;DI me!&quot; than scrambling to find someone else that&#039;s still alive and able to rez. :-)

@Hokuto: Thanks for the heads up. I read a lot of his other threads, and he is indeed a QQ-troll. He&#039;s also complaining of our ability to shapeshift out of the Shamans&#039; Hex spell and whining that the HoT associated with Riptide doesn&#039;t tick quickly enough or for enough health (it&#039;s a 15 second HoT that ticks every 3 seconds ... just like Rejuvenation). Someone pointed out Presarius&#039; trolling antics to the Shamans in their class forums and Spottedcow of Northrend (US) responded, &quot;I appreciate you bringing us this trolling moment. I would promise to keep our idiot in the village, but he has a tendancy to wander sometimes. Thank you for returning him to us.&quot; I LOLed.

@Sydera: I&#039;ll probably blow all my mana as quickly as possible rezzing and then sit to drink while I go to potty. :-D Problem solved!

@Rob: Or worse yet, &quot;Sorry, we need a rezzer.&quot; &gt;.&lt;

@Archmera: I agree. It&#039;s great to see the development team pull a 180 on this issue.

@Merlot: Oh, it&#039;s not a bad thing, but there aren&#039;t a lot of those people around. So instead of just having to LFTank, you&#039;d have to LFTank + LFRezzer that doesn&#039;t heal!

@Jezzabell: See, the first thing I did after training it was ask the guy standing next to me to jump off the cliff beside Loganaar so I could rez him. ^_^

@Slapzz: ROFL ... I&#039;ve already seen the darker side of rezzing when my own HUSBAND refuses to walk back. The joke&#039;s on him, though, because invariably I need his help to find my way to my body. ;-)

@Melanie: Good to know about Pallies. And grats!

@Simon: I&#039;ve been fortunate enough to only very rarely PuG, so I didn&#039;t run into the &quot;no rez, no deal&quot; descrimination myself, but I can imagine how frustrating it must have been.

@Hoofbeat: As someone else points out, there&#039;s really no Heroic where Druids are going to be preferred to Shamans because of crowd control. We haven&#039;t been able to cast Root indoors before Wrath, Cyclone has horrible DR, and there are very few mobs where Hibernate makes a difference (and honestly, they&#039;re generally the least troublesome of the mobs). Now Wrath ... that might be a different story.

@Horns: I don&#039;t think anyone was suggesting that you should forfeit Rebirth to pick up Revive. I agree, tho -- that would be terribad, at least when raiding.

@Eggo: Whoa there ... TMI! Do crabs have butts? Don&#039;t answer that.

@Tesh: I&#039;m so glad you liked it. :-D

@Tone: That is an excellent example of why all healers should have a rez. Even with all the specialty toys around, lacking a normal rez is a huge inconvenience to the people who group with you.

@Drun: That would be pretty awesome, but I suspect it was a typo. They don&#039;t want to lower the cooldown below the 15 minute mark or it would be usable in Arenas. Then Druids would HAVE to be first on everyone&#039;s targetting radar (not fun).

@Rochmoninoff: No, it&#039;s not like Druids can rez themselves. Maybe that should be our rez-related new campaign ...

@Witch Doctor: I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d necessarily use the word &quot;exploit&quot; with regard to Divine Intervention/Rebirth, but I agree that the longer cooldown on Reincarnate is likely because it&#039;s so much easier to use. If the Reincarnate cooldown were lowered to 20 minutes, a raid with two Shamans in it could feasibly recover from wipes 6 times an hour, even AFTER all the trash had respawned!

@Ermengol: It&#039;s also a silly argument because it assumes that being able to rez outside of combat somehow makes the game &quot;easier&quot; instead of &quot;more convenient.&quot; Of course, by the fifth time *I&#039;m* walking back to an instance, I&#039;m not necessarily on the top of my game (or at the top of the bottle). ^_^

@C. Jones: I think there hasn&#039;t been a lot of clamor about Entangling Roots indoors because most player recognize that Moonkin needed a viable form of CC indoors, Ferals can&#039;t cast it outside of Nature&#039;s Grasp, and Restos are going to have to work it into their healing which is a lot more difficult than working it into a DPS rotation! I&#039;m really looking forward to it, though. Now if only I could convince my groupmates that I have CC...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kadomi: Thanks for the support. I&#8217;m sure a Druid will rez you in thanks. <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Andurial: Agree 100%. To all the people who posted &#8220;this is a dead horse WAH WAH!&#8221; on all the &#8220;WAAAAHHHH We need a normal rez!&#8221; threads over the years, &#8220;NANNY NANNY BOO BOO!&#8221; (What can I say? It&#8217;s Friday, and I&#8217;m not feeling especially mature. ^_^)</p>
<p>@Oni: Oh, I think Ferals are going to really like having Revive, at least in 5-mans. They will be able to resurrect their healer if things go bad, just like Paladins. I can&#8217;t count the number of times I&#8217;ve died only to see the rest of my group win an encounter. It&#8217;s quite depressing when it happens, because you still have to walk back!</p>
<p>@Karthis: Yes, but Ret/Prot Paladins, Shadow/Disc Priests, and Elemental/Enhancement Shamans have access to a resurrection by virtue of having a healing-based tree. It wouldn&#8217;t make sense to deny it to Feral and Balance Druids, at least in my mind.</p>
<p>@Lotha: Slacker!</p>
<p>@Kwast: We might not have Shackle Undead, but I think both Entangling Roots and Hibernate will see much more use in the Wrath 5-mans! Woot!</p>
<p>@Runycat: If by &#8220;army of Liches&#8221; you mean, &#8220;unfortunate healers,&#8221; I&#8217;ll believe you!</p>
<p>@Ryukyu: I didn&#8217;t know that about Repentance. That&#8217;s really cool. And I hadn&#8217;t even though of the possibility of Divine Intervention, either. It will be a lot easier to call out over Vent &#8220;DI me!&#8221; than scrambling to find someone else that&#8217;s still alive and able to rez. <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Hokuto: Thanks for the heads up. I read a lot of his other threads, and he is indeed a QQ-troll. He&#8217;s also complaining of our ability to shapeshift out of the Shamans&#8217; Hex spell and whining that the HoT associated with Riptide doesn&#8217;t tick quickly enough or for enough health (it&#8217;s a 15 second HoT that ticks every 3 seconds &#8230; just like Rejuvenation). Someone pointed out Presarius&#8217; trolling antics to the Shamans in their class forums and Spottedcow of Northrend (US) responded, &#8220;I appreciate you bringing us this trolling moment. I would promise to keep our idiot in the village, but he has a tendancy to wander sometimes. Thank you for returning him to us.&#8221; I LOLed.</p>
<p>@Sydera: I&#8217;ll probably blow all my mana as quickly as possible rezzing and then sit to drink while I go to potty. <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  Problem solved!</p>
<p>@Rob: Or worse yet, &#8220;Sorry, we need a rezzer.&#8221; >.< @Archmera: I agree. It&#8217;s great to see the development team pull a 180 on this issue.</p>
<p>@Merlot: Oh, it&#8217;s not a bad thing, but there aren&#8217;t a lot of those people around. So instead of just having to LFTank, you&#8217;d have to LFTank + LFRezzer that doesn&#8217;t heal!</p>
<p>@Jezzabell: See, the first thing I did after training it was ask the guy standing next to me to jump off the cliff beside Loganaar so I could rez him. ^_^</p>
<p>@Slapzz: ROFL &#8230; I&#8217;ve already seen the darker side of rezzing when my own HUSBAND refuses to walk back. The joke&#8217;s on him, though, because invariably I need his help to find my way to my body. <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Melanie: Good to know about Pallies. And grats!</p>
<p>@Simon: I&#8217;ve been fortunate enough to only very rarely PuG, so I didn&#8217;t run into the &#8220;no rez, no deal&#8221; descrimination myself, but I can imagine how frustrating it must have been.</p>
<p>@Hoofbeat: As someone else points out, there&#8217;s really no Heroic where Druids are going to be preferred to Shamans because of crowd control. We haven&#8217;t been able to cast Root indoors before Wrath, Cyclone has horrible DR, and there are very few mobs where Hibernate makes a difference (and honestly, they&#8217;re generally the least troublesome of the mobs). Now Wrath &#8230; that might be a different story.</p>
<p>@Horns: I don&#8217;t think anyone was suggesting that you should forfeit Rebirth to pick up Revive. I agree, tho &#8212; that would be terribad, at least when raiding.</p>
<p>@Eggo: Whoa there &#8230; TMI! Do crabs have butts? Don&#8217;t answer that.</p>
<p>@Tesh: I&#8217;m so glad you liked it. <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Tone: That is an excellent example of why all healers should have a rez. Even with all the specialty toys around, lacking a normal rez is a huge inconvenience to the people who group with you.</p>
<p>@Drun: That would be pretty awesome, but I suspect it was a typo. They don&#8217;t want to lower the cooldown below the 15 minute mark or it would be usable in Arenas. Then Druids would HAVE to be first on everyone&#8217;s targetting radar (not fun).</p>
<p>@Rochmoninoff: No, it&#8217;s not like Druids can rez themselves. Maybe that should be our rez-related new campaign &#8230;</p>
<p>@Witch Doctor: I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d necessarily use the word &#8220;exploit&#8221; with regard to Divine Intervention/Rebirth, but I agree that the longer cooldown on Reincarnate is likely because it&#8217;s so much easier to use. If the Reincarnate cooldown were lowered to 20 minutes, a raid with two Shamans in it could feasibly recover from wipes 6 times an hour, even AFTER all the trash had respawned!</p>
<p>@Ermengol: It&#8217;s also a silly argument because it assumes that being able to rez outside of combat somehow makes the game &#8220;easier&#8221; instead of &#8220;more convenient.&#8221; Of course, by the fifth time *I&#8217;m* walking back to an instance, I&#8217;m not necessarily on the top of my game (or at the top of the bottle). ^_^</p>
<p>@C. Jones: I think there hasn&#8217;t been a lot of clamor about Entangling Roots indoors because most player recognize that Moonkin needed a viable form of CC indoors, Ferals can&#8217;t cast it outside of Nature&#8217;s Grasp, and Restos are going to have to work it into their healing which is a lot more difficult than working it into a DPS rotation! I&#8217;m really looking forward to it, though. Now if only I could convince my groupmates that I have CC&#8230;</p>
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