Comments on: WotLK to Redress Druid Shortcomings http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/ So many numbers, you'll think you're getting audited Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:30:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Tarinim http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/comment-page-1/#comment-4530 Tarinim Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:34:12 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/?p=532#comment-4530 They haven't given us indoor roots yet; don't count your chickens before they're hatched. They haven’t given us indoor roots yet; don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched.

]]> By: Phaelia http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/comment-page-1/#comment-4153 Phaelia Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:53:36 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/?p=532#comment-4153 @ALoneWolf: Well keep in mind that all of these changes are in Alpha. I'm sure that Blizzard will give Shamans some shiny new toys if only to try to break them out of the mold of constantly Chain Healing (which I can only imagine to be more mind numbing that maintaining multiple Lifebloom stacks). @ALoneWolf: Well keep in mind that all of these changes are in Alpha. I’m sure that Blizzard will give Shamans some shiny new toys if only to try to break them out of the mold of constantly Chain Healing (which I can only imagine to be more mind numbing that maintaining multiple Lifebloom stacks).

]]> By: ALoneWolf http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/comment-page-1/#comment-4076 ALoneWolf Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:04:54 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/?p=532#comment-4076 Preparing to be flamed. Being a shaman, I just just hope that my one spell I do have that's any good doesn't get overwhelmed with tree druids. I mean, hots are your niche, I respect a Resto druid for that. However, being a shaman, yes we have AOE healing but giving every other class AOE healing and not giving us some of our abilities to compensate would suck royally. Other then buffs, my class would be useless if they can have every other healing class do something just as effectively as I can. The other two healing spells I currently have are about as lovely and mana efficient as your Healing Touch. Please, just don't overwrite my niche! Preparing to be flamed. Being a shaman, I just just hope that my one spell I do have that’s any good doesn’t get overwhelmed with tree druids. I mean, hots are your niche, I respect a Resto druid for that. However, being a shaman, yes we have AOE healing but giving every other class AOE healing and not giving us some of our abilities to compensate would suck royally. Other then buffs, my class would be useless if they can have every other healing class do something just as effectively as I can. The other two healing spells I currently have are about as lovely and mana efficient as your Healing Touch. Please, just don’t overwrite my niche!

]]> By: Phaelia http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/comment-page-1/#comment-3950 Phaelia Fri, 23 May 2008 16:38:32 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/?p=532#comment-3950 @Darkfalstaff: I think they kind of had to let us use indoor Roots as Death Knights are getting an ice ability that roots. They'd never impose such a stupid restriction on their new baby. @Leiyan: I'm very, very happy that Flourish will be usable in Tree of Life. I was wondering why they'd introduce yet another Healing spell that couldn't be used in our healing form. And thank you for reading and commenting! I hope to see more of you. :-) @Sayari: Wow ... that would be pretty tempting, especially with the buffs that Balance is getting and while levelling up. Still, I think the healing spells and the new stuff related to Tree of Life sounds like too much fun to pass up. @Darkfalstaff: I think they kind of had to let us use indoor Roots as Death Knights are getting an ice ability that roots. They’d never impose such a stupid restriction on their new baby.

@Leiyan: I’m very, very happy that Flourish will be usable in Tree of Life. I was wondering why they’d introduce yet another Healing spell that couldn’t be used in our healing form. And thank you for reading and commenting! I hope to see more of you. :-)

@Sayari: Wow … that would be pretty tempting, especially with the buffs that Balance is getting and while levelling up. Still, I think the healing spells and the new stuff related to Tree of Life sounds like too much fun to pass up.

]]> By: Sayari http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/comment-page-1/#comment-3933 Sayari Thu, 22 May 2008 23:55:09 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/?p=532#comment-3933 Also, no one seems to have pointed it out yet, but dreamstate was moved up the balance tree. It's now posible to get dreamstate (along with lunar guidance and moonglow) and tree form together. While you miss out most of the newer resto goodies (better crits and aoe hot) you will have more +healing power and regen/efficiency (and you can even get a few points of replenish as well). There are some interesting 28/0/43 and similar builds you can make with this. Also, no one seems to have pointed it out yet, but dreamstate was moved up the balance tree. It’s now posible to get dreamstate (along with lunar guidance and moonglow) and tree form together. While you miss out most of the newer resto goodies (better crits and aoe hot) you will have more +healing power and regen/efficiency (and you can even get a few points of replenish as well).

There are some interesting 28/0/43 and similar builds you can make with this.

]]> By: Sayari http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/comment-page-1/#comment-3931 Sayari Thu, 22 May 2008 23:37:36 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/?p=532#comment-3931 Leiyan You are right, I made the same mistake I pointed out earlier, I was reading from a user-made talent tree instead of from the spell files directly. It does indeed appear that trees can cast the nourish 'flash heal'. Leiyan

You are right, I made the same mistake I pointed out earlier, I was reading from a user-made talent tree instead of from the spell files directly. It does indeed appear that trees can cast the nourish ‘flash heal’.

]]> By: Leiyan http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/comment-page-1/#comment-3926 Leiyan Thu, 22 May 2008 20:58:37 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/?p=532#comment-3926 To Phaelia: Started reading your blog about two months ago, and I love it! Thanks for all of the information tips and tricks you've posted. I'm a much better Tree because of it. =) This is my first comment! ^^* To Phaelia & Sayari: Who knows how all this may change...but as far as I can tell Nourish -will- work in ToL form. This is taken off a link Phaelia provided in this entry (http://urlshort.com/wotlk/site/viewspell.php?spellid=33891). It's also repeated at http://wotlk.wikidot.com/. Spell 33891 Name: Tree of Life Description: Shapeshift into the Tree of Life. While in this form your movement speed is reduced by $5420s2% and you can only cast Swiftmend, Innervate, Nature's Swiftness, Rebirth, Barkskin, ***Nourish,*** poison removing and healing over time spells, but the mana cost of these spells is reduced by $5420s3%. Your heals also grant friendly targets your Bark's Blessing, increasing healing done to them by $5420s1% of your total Spirit. Bark's Blessing lasts 8 sec. The act of shapeshifting frees the caster of Polymorph and Movement Impairing effects. Description2: Immune to Polymorph effects. I added the "***" for emphasis, but it clearly states there Nourish, along with HoTs (which would include Flourish) are available. I must agree, though, that the new stuff has to many "-ish"es (nourISH, flourISH, replenISH). It all sounds like the same thing. To Phaelia:

Started reading your blog about two months ago, and I love it! Thanks for all of the information tips and tricks you’ve posted. I’m a much better Tree because of it. =) This is my first comment! ^^*

To Phaelia & Sayari:

Who knows how all this may change…but as far as I can tell Nourish -will- work in ToL form. This is taken off a link Phaelia provided in this entry (http://urlshort.com/wotlk/site/viewspell.php?spellid=33891). It’s also repeated at http://wotlk.wikidot.com/.

Spell 33891
Name: Tree of Life
Description: Shapeshift into the Tree of Life. While in this form your movement speed is reduced by $5420s2% and you can only cast Swiftmend, Innervate, Nature’s Swiftness, Rebirth, Barkskin, ***Nourish,*** poison removing and healing over time spells, but the mana cost of these spells is reduced by $5420s3%. Your heals also grant friendly targets your Bark’s Blessing, increasing healing done to them by $5420s1% of your total Spirit. Bark’s Blessing lasts 8 sec. The act of shapeshifting frees the caster of Polymorph and Movement Impairing effects.
Description2: Immune to Polymorph effects.

I added the “***” for emphasis, but it clearly states there Nourish, along with HoTs (which would include Flourish) are available.

I must agree, though, that the new stuff has to many “-ish”es (nourISH, flourISH, replenISH). It all sounds like the same thing.

]]> By: Darkfalstaff http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/comment-page-1/#comment-3925 Darkfalstaff Thu, 22 May 2008 20:43:25 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/?p=532#comment-3925 Yes. I see the rumors going that roots is now castable indoors as is nature's grasp. That's awesome. If that change sticks into the final product, that would definitely help druids get some positive attention for small groups assuming we'll never see an OOC rez come our way (or at least not before Blizzard jumps the shark). Yes. I see the rumors going that roots is now castable indoors as is nature’s grasp. That’s awesome. If that change sticks into the final product, that would definitely help druids get some positive attention for small groups assuming we’ll never see an OOC rez come our way (or at least not before Blizzard jumps the shark).

]]> By: Phaelia http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/comment-page-1/#comment-3924 Phaelia Thu, 22 May 2008 20:27:45 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/?p=532#comment-3924 @Georgelikeman: Yikes - scary. I keep checking my mail, afraid I'll get contacted asking me to take this information down (or worse). So far, though, they seem to not be talking to bloggers. /nervous :-| @Sayari: WOW at the revised Brambles. Can you tell if it's possible to get both Flourish and Brambles? @Georgelikeman: Yikes – scary. I keep checking my mail, afraid I’ll get contacted asking me to take this information down (or worse). So far, though, they seem to not be talking to bloggers. /nervous :-|

@Sayari: WOW at the revised Brambles. Can you tell if it’s possible to get both Flourish and Brambles?

]]> By: Sayari http://www.resto4life.com/2008/05/21/wotlk-to-redress-druid-shortcomings/comment-page-1/#comment-3922 Sayari Thu, 22 May 2008 19:55:39 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/?p=532#comment-3922 Phaelia, the new spells are names far too similar; already causing confusion and they aren't even official yet. Trees can use Flourish (instant cast AoE hot), they cannot use nourish (1.5 sec cast, single target heal). Spell 48438 Name: Flourish Description: Heals friendly party or raid members within $a1 yards of the target for $o1 over $d. The amount healed is applied quickly at first, and slows down as the Flourish reaches its full duration. Description2: Heals $s1 damage every $t1 second. Spell 50464 Name: Nourish Description: Heals a friendly target for 1550. Heals for an additional $/4;s1 if Rejuvenation is on the target. Description2: I was also surprised at the very large boost to thorns. Spell 46766 Name: Thorns Description: Thorns sprout from the friendly target causing 140 Nature damage to attackers when hit. Lasts $d. Description2: Causes $s1 Nature damage to attackers. Talented (with brambles) it would be 245 damage per hit (and have a 15% chance to daze the attacker), that is a huge boost to the utility of thorns. Also, according to the mined data files replenish doesn't work with flourish, just rejuvenation. The user-made talent tree had that mistake in there and now it's everywhere. Spell 48545 Name: Replenish Description: Your Rejuvenation spell has a 10% chance to restore $48540s1 Energy, $/10;48541s1 Rage, 2% Mana or $/10;48543s1 Runic Power per tick. Description2: Phaelia, the new spells are names far too similar; already causing confusion and they aren’t even official yet.

Trees can use Flourish (instant cast AoE hot), they cannot use nourish (1.5 sec cast, single target heal).

Spell 48438
Name: Flourish
Description: Heals friendly party or raid members within $a1 yards of the target for $o1 over $d. The amount healed is applied quickly at first, and slows down as the Flourish reaches its full duration.
Description2: Heals $s1 damage every $t1 second.

Spell 50464
Name: Nourish
Description: Heals a friendly target for 1550. Heals for an additional $/4;s1 if Rejuvenation is on the target.
Description2:

I was also surprised at the very large boost to thorns.

Spell 46766
Name: Thorns
Description: Thorns sprout from the friendly target causing 140 Nature damage to attackers when hit. Lasts $d.
Description2: Causes $s1 Nature damage to attackers.

Talented (with brambles) it would be 245 damage per hit (and have a 15% chance to daze the attacker), that is a huge boost to the utility of thorns.

Also, according to the mined data files replenish doesn’t work with flourish, just rejuvenation. The user-made talent tree had that mistake in there and now it’s everywhere.

Spell 48545
Name: Replenish
Description: Your Rejuvenation spell has a 10% chance to restore $48540s1 Energy, $/10;48541s1 Rage, 2% Mana or $/10;48543s1 Runic Power per tick.
Description2:

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