And as Lovemace recently pointed out elsewhere, Paladins are currently suffering from a lack of reactive mana regeneration. Yes, Illumination is still helpful in preventing your heals from taking all your mana, but there’s nothing you can do once you’ve been drained. =(

1.) I Loooooove this site. It is excellent, and if its continued existence meant Cyclone lasted 80 seconds and was a 10K DoT…I would be ok with that.

2.) I play one of the other hybrid classes (Paladin) and sympathize with any nerfs druids are about to recieve. After all, we had to completely re-think our PvE healing strategy after they nerfed us for arena (spell crit and the ensuing mana regen loss for healadins). The good news is that while we were weakened, it was not the end of the world that many thought it would be. In fact it probably made me a more versatile and effective healer, as opposed to a Flash of Light spam monkey.

I have never run into a situation where a druids run speed helped him beat my arena team, either 2v2, 3v3, or 5v5. Cyclone, on the other hand, has kept my team down one player more effectively and more often than any stunlock, fear, poly, or other cc method that exists.

Give druids their travel form speed buff back, and add a cooldown to cyclone please.

I don’t have a lot to contribute except to say that I’m a firm believer that Overpowered = “I don’t like it and I don’t want to take the time to consider mitigating factors.” In any system this complex it is nearly impossible to reach a level of balance desired by many players. Very very few claims of anything being overpowered are objectively based, and typically find their roots in the ego of the commenter. The grass is always greener, as they say, even for those of us playing Druids.

Regardless, we’ll press on as we always do, and find ways to remain competitive. It’s certainly not the end of the World…of Warcraft.

Resilience cutting down on burst damage favors HoT healing. Secondly, the very nature of arenas favors instants casts. Which again favors druids and to a lesser extent priests. (I have no knowledge of offensive casters heh).

This also made locks incredibly powerful at first, since they didn’t need crits. And everyone asked to nerf them, not realizing warriors and combat rogues could do incredible damage without crits (but couldn’t hide behind pillars)

Resilience has changed the game, and Blizz is still struggling to balance it. They haven’t even figured out how to balance arenas without affecting everything. And we thought pvp nerfs affecting pve was bad back before TBC.

I don’t understand this attitude, sadly so common. Poiting out other things that are wrong doesn’t make a change right, and if you think your set bonus is useless, you should complain about it and not just go “ha-ha now we all share crappy sets, deal with it like I do”.

Some people are going way further by taking these changes as some sort of revenge, as if they were really mad at druid players because of some personal offense (“how dare you make me lose”). We find such example in those that directly ask for reducing Lifebloom healing power, not giving a damn about all those druids doing PvE. I don’t hear so many complaints about warriors even though they do pretty well in all 3 brackets. Also it’s weird how their logic doesn’t include the fact that druids aren’t that good at all in 5v5, where mobility can’t beat endurance when, wherever you go, there’s an enemy waiting for you. But, again, instead of finding a balance between the two scenarios, it’s easier to ask for a nerf.

I’m not gonna go with the old “2v2 isn’t balanced and will never be” because I think there are lots of minor changes to do yet, but common sense says 2v2 can’t be easy to balance. Some combos will work better than others, even if only slightly, and sooner or later you’ll have a bunch of them at the top. Actually that will be the case even in 5v5 too, only there are so many combinations with so many differently skilled players that nobody can really tell.

I think most of this hatred against druids, just like with warlocks and rogues, comes out of frustration. Take duels, for example. One thing is losing against someone, and another one is losing because there’s nothing you can do: all damage you deal is healed, or you just can’t move during the whole fight (warlocks keep you feared/silenced while they seem to never run out of mana, rogues keep you stunned/blinded/whatever). But, of course, you won’t generally complain when you get to kill a resto druid, a warlock or a rogue; even if they managed to do some of their frustrating game before dying.

Now, regarding the set bonus, change is probably fair. I’ll miss it in my balance pvp set (can’t complain much about the new one though), and feral druids being able to catch me even in travel form is not nice (I’ll admit they probably deserve it), but it should be something talent-oriented. Feral druids fight in melee, balance druids fight with spells, resto druids heal. Regrowth is pretty useful in PvP, so the minor casting time reduction will still help. I’d so take extra speed instead, but you won’t hear me cry. At least it won’t be the joke it was going to be (Healing Touch? seriously?), and feral arena viability won’t be decreased. Plus PvE viability remains the same (be it good or bad; I’ve raided with up to 4 other resto druids + 1 balance + 1 feral, so mine is pretty good so far )

No PVE berf yet. You seen the leaked internal “to-do-list” from blizz?

“Reduced efficiency of LB (BIG BIG BIG PVE nerf)
20y Cyclone range” among other things.

Yes druids need some tuneing in 2s and 3s, currently we are too strong

Ijsut hope that after this patch we wont be the w2orst of all ehalers again.

Any yes, it will destroy Druids in 5s completly, as our way of mitigating dmg is run from it, LoS it, we cant really tank it. Big problem in 5s.

I guess I can be happy we didn’t see a PVE nerf?

What irritates me the most is that my class is to be nerfed because a minor advantage it has in a small isolated part of the game which reflects into many other parts of the game where we are _fine_.

It would seem like Blizzard didn’t change their ways. Back when BC came out and everybody was crying for us to be nerfed Blizzard said they had no intention of doing so and “druids are fine. l2p.”. Two weeks later ferals got hit with the nerf bat so hard they still can’t walk straight.
History is repeating it seems. :[