Comments on: Mailbag: Idol of the Raven Goddess http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/ So many numbers, you'll think you're getting audited Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:30:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Natarumah http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/comment-page-1/#comment-5668 Natarumah Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:47:44 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/#comment-5668 Phae, have you had a chance to evaluate these trinkets in the Beta, and determine if their function changes with the change in the ToL aura? Because with the aura changed to 3% healing bonus, I imagine the idol of the Raven Goddess would (have to) be changed to accomodate? Thanks in advance! Natarumahs last blog post..<a href="http://twistedfaith.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/spell-focus-shadow-word-death/" rel="nofollow">Spell Focus: Shadow Word (Death)</a> Phae, have you had a chance to evaluate these trinkets in the Beta, and determine if their function changes with the change in the ToL aura? Because with the aura changed to 3% healing bonus, I imagine the idol of the Raven Goddess would (have to) be changed to accomodate?

Thanks in advance!

Natarumahs last blog post..Spell Focus: Shadow Word (Death)

]]> By: Zackoria http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/comment-page-1/#comment-2696 Zackoria Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:20:21 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/#comment-2696 @phae ive never really had trouble with ToL on that fight although i can see how some people might. It all comes down to finding a place that is less populated in the room over the course of the fight before the ground slams. Barkskin really makes it alot more survivable. I actually had more problems dieing when i was a rogue than my druid though that prolly has alot to do with my druid coming later and i had more experience on that fight. /shrug The biggest thing that always helped me with ground slams was realizing that he dosent bounce you far. so standing in a spot on the room before hand with less people in it, you are more likley to not get stuck with 20 people around you. @phae ive never really had trouble with ToL on that fight although i can see how some people might. It all comes down to finding a place that is less populated in the room over the course of the fight before the ground slams. Barkskin really makes it alot more survivable. I actually had more problems dieing when i was a rogue than my druid though that prolly has alot to do with my druid coming later and i had more experience on that fight. /shrug The biggest thing that always helped me with ground slams was realizing that he dosent bounce you far. so standing in a spot on the room before hand with less people in it, you are more likley to not get stuck with 20 people around you.

]]> By: Ermengol http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/comment-page-1/#comment-2693 Ermengol Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:41:12 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/#comment-2693 A few quick notes, regarding the comment on Gruul.. I remain in ToL during the whole fight, except when NS&HT is needed (I have NS "macroed" with both HT and regrowth so I use any of them depending on the situation), and I'm not the only one :). It's true we have it pretty much on farm status in my guild, but I've done it like that since like forever. Also don't be afraid to shift in/out now and then. Imagine you're in "caster form" and you have to quickly spam regrowth after some massive AoE.. Shift to ToL. Even if you're not a "natural shapeshifter", you'll save mana by the forth regrowth (while helping other healers with your aura while they do their magic). During a regular spell rotation scheme you'll get your mana back in maybe 15-25 seconds anyway (take 20% of a bunch of lifeblooms and rejuvenations and there you go). The only real problem is the use of 1GCD when going into ToL, but it's still worth the shift most of the time. Mobility isn't such a big deal for a tree (hey, you can heal while moving!), and even when it is, shift mana cost is affordable. I stay out of ToL form in very few fights, and probably never in 25-man raids. What can I say, I like it being a tree :) A few quick notes, regarding the comment on Gruul..

I remain in ToL during the whole fight, except when NS&HT is needed (I have NS “macroed” with both HT and regrowth so I use any of them depending on the situation), and I’m not the only one :) . It’s true we have it pretty much on farm status in my guild, but I’ve done it like that since like forever.

Also don’t be afraid to shift in/out now and then.

Imagine you’re in “caster form” and you have to quickly spam regrowth after some massive AoE.. Shift to ToL. Even if you’re not a “natural shapeshifter”, you’ll save mana by the forth regrowth (while helping other healers with your aura while they do their magic). During a regular spell rotation scheme you’ll get your mana back in maybe 15-25 seconds anyway (take 20% of a bunch of lifeblooms and rejuvenations and there you go). The only real problem is the use of 1GCD when going into ToL, but it’s still worth the shift most of the time.

Mobility isn’t such a big deal for a tree (hey, you can heal while moving!), and even when it is, shift mana cost is affordable. I stay out of ToL form in very few fights, and probably never in 25-man raids.

What can I say, I like it being a tree :)

]]> By: Aertimus http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/comment-page-1/#comment-2692 Aertimus Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:34:01 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/#comment-2692 Thank you for the reply! Thank you for the reply!

]]> By: Phaelia http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/comment-page-1/#comment-2691 Phaelia Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:55:48 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/#comment-2691 @Aertimus: Just to be sure, I've tested this in game. It's not true. It may SEEM like the second person is benefitting from the first person wearing her charm if her aura is stronger than yours since you'll be benefitting from the stronger aura (yours is negated if you happen to be in the same group). I tested this by having someone equip their idol in caster form and seeing it affected the amount healed by my LB while I was in Tree of Life. Then having him remove it and finding the healing value to be the same. The stronger of the two Trees should be the only one who needs to wear it for both of you to get the benefit (though it doesn't really make sense to put a second tree into the tank group since the effects don't stack). @Aertimus: Just to be sure, I’ve tested this in game. It’s not true. It may SEEM like the second person is benefitting from the first person wearing her charm if her aura is stronger than yours since you’ll be benefitting from the stronger aura (yours is negated if you happen to be in the same group). I tested this by having someone equip their idol in caster form and seeing it affected the amount healed by my LB while I was in Tree of Life. Then having him remove it and finding the healing value to be the same. The stronger of the two Trees should be the only one who needs to wear it for both of you to get the benefit (though it doesn’t really make sense to put a second tree into the tank group since the effects don’t stack).

]]> By: Aertimus http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/comment-page-1/#comment-2679 Aertimus Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:33:59 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/#comment-2679 I have heard that if one druid in a party wears the Idol of the Raven Goddess, the bonus applies to ALL druid auras in that party. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I do not believe it shows changes on your character sheet, or on the buff itself and I have not seen any *obvious* improvements when I do equip it. It is just something I have messed around with on trash on those oddly frequent heroics where I find myself in a group with a feral and moonkin druid. I have considered equipping it in 25 mans for trash, since one of our MTs is a druid and I am always in his group. I just can't get my fellow druids to mess around with this idol with me long enough to see its possible effects. Also - if you have Idol of the Avian Heart, don't forget to macro it to HT so you always equip it! Make sure /equip Idol of the Avian Heart comes AFTER /cast Healing Touch and it will not interfere with the GCD but will still apply to the cast. I have heard that if one druid in a party wears the Idol of the Raven Goddess, the bonus applies to ALL druid auras in that party. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I do not believe it shows changes on your character sheet, or on the buff itself and I have not seen any *obvious* improvements when I do equip it. It is just something I have messed around with on trash on those oddly frequent heroics where I find myself in a group with a feral and moonkin druid. I have considered equipping it in 25 mans for trash, since one of our MTs is a druid and I am always in his group. I just can’t get my fellow druids to mess around with this idol with me long enough to see its possible effects.

Also – if you have Idol of the Avian Heart, don’t forget to macro it to HT so you always equip it! Make sure /equip Idol of the Avian Heart comes AFTER /cast Healing Touch and it will not interfere with the GCD but will still apply to the cast.

]]> By: Phaelia http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/comment-page-1/#comment-2628 Phaelia Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:33:57 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/#comment-2628 @Zackoria: Do you find it difficult to use Tree of Life for Gruul's? Do you have to shift at all? Maybe I just need more practice. >.< @Hokuto: /blush - I'm happy it was so relevant and helpful! @Akia: You are my hero. I run with Outfitter and had no idea that this option was available to me!! I also didn't realize that Idols could be swapped while in combat This will be tremendously helpful. Thank you! @Dimi: I know they're boring and tedious, but you should consider hitting up a few dailies each week. 3-5 of them would probably help cover your repair and consumable costs! I used to have the same trouble, but I find it's easier to devote an hour of time to Blade's Edge dailies than it is to farm. @Leighbra: Haha ... but your questions are such great food for blog! This was a really fun one to respond to. The only thing that makes me sad is that I usually do a better job responding to a question when it goes onto my blog than when I respond in an e-mail (maybe because I proof my blog posts moreso than my e-mails). I don't actually have a guide to Idols, but I'm pretty sure that the Lifebloom idol is still going to be your best bet. Nasira of "A Tale of Two Druids" has a guide on Healing idols here: <a href="http://twodruids.blogspot.com/2007/12/healing-gear-idols-weapons-and-off.html" rel="nofollow">http://twodruids.blogspot.com/2007/12/healing-gear-idols-weapons-and-off.html</a> though she doesn't rate them in order of preference. Great idea trying your +Healing trinket to NS + HT, btw! @Bloodthorn: It would appear that you're correct. However, I believe that switching them activates the GCD so you would probably want to perform the switch *after* switching forms. @Graylo: Good analysis. That's so significant I think you should be highlighting it on "Gray Matter" since many Balance Druids might miss it here. I'm thrilled their axing that internal cooldown. It was stupid addition in the first place. >.< @Zackoria: Do you find it difficult to use Tree of Life for Gruul’s? Do you have to shift at all? Maybe I just need more practice. >.< @Hokuto: /blush - I'm happy it was so relevant and helpful!

@Akia: You are my hero. I run with Outfitter and had no idea that this option was available to me!! I also didn't realize that Idols could be swapped while in combat This will be tremendously helpful. Thank you!

@Dimi: I know they're boring and tedious, but you should consider hitting up a few dailies each week. 3-5 of them would probably help cover your repair and consumable costs! I used to have the same trouble, but I find it's easier to devote an hour of time to Blade's Edge dailies than it is to farm.

@Leighbra: Haha ... but your questions are such great food for blog! This was a really fun one to respond to. The only thing that makes me sad is that I usually do a better job responding to a question when it goes onto my blog than when I respond in an e-mail (maybe because I proof my blog posts moreso than my e-mails). I don't actually have a guide to Idols, but I'm pretty sure that the Lifebloom idol is still going to be your best bet. Nasira of "A Tale of Two Druids" has a guide on Healing idols here:

http://twodruids.blogspot.com/2007/12/healing-gear-idols-weapons-and-off.html

though she doesn’t rate them in order of preference. Great idea trying your +Healing trinket to NS + HT, btw!

@Bloodthorn: It would appear that you’re correct. However, I believe that switching them activates the GCD so you would probably want to perform the switch *after* switching forms.

@Graylo: Good analysis. That’s so significant I think you should be highlighting it on “Gray Matter” since many Balance Druids might miss it here. I’m thrilled their axing that internal cooldown. It was stupid addition in the first place. >.<

]]> By: Graylo http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/comment-page-1/#comment-2612 Graylo Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:29:06 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/#comment-2612 @Dimitris I think you might be a little confused. First off, the buff provided by the Raven Idol only works if you are shapeshifted. So If you are in Tree form, your party members receive 40 healing from all heals. Your party will only get the crit bonuses if you are in Feral or Moonkin forms, which is unlikely for a healer. Second, Idols are considered a Weapon and can be changed in combat. I do it all the time with my Moonkin idols. In fact. I have several macros that make the change automatic with no time losted due to the global cooldown. @Phae Great post. I have been thinking the changes to the Idol of the Raven Goddess from a moonkin perspective and I think I am coming to the same conclutions as you are. Its a pretty situational Idol, that may be worth while in an ideal group. I did some quick calculations. After they remove the cooldown from the Idol of the Unseen Moon it should be worth about 58 spell spell damage. Then if you use idol swapping macros The added damage from the Ivory Idol of the Moongoddess will give you another 70 damage or so starfire cast. You can see that this adds up quickly and 20 crit for 5 people doesn't stack up. This is especially true since I usually have a shadow priest and or a resto Shaman in my group. For the Idol of the Raven Goddess to really become useful I think they will need to up the crit rates to somewhere around 40, and move the healing rate up to about 100. @Dimitris

I think you might be a little confused. First off, the buff provided by the Raven Idol only works if you are shapeshifted. So If you are in Tree form, your party members receive 40 healing from all heals. Your party will only get the crit bonuses if you are in Feral or Moonkin forms, which is unlikely for a healer.

Second, Idols are considered a Weapon and can be changed in combat. I do it all the time with my Moonkin idols. In fact. I have several macros that make the change automatic with no time losted due to the global cooldown.

@Phae

Great post. I have been thinking the changes to the Idol of the Raven Goddess from a moonkin perspective and I think I am coming to the same conclutions as you are. Its a pretty situational Idol, that may be worth while in an ideal group.

I did some quick calculations. After they remove the cooldown from the Idol of the Unseen Moon it should be worth about 58 spell spell damage. Then if you use idol swapping macros The added damage from the Ivory Idol of the Moongoddess will give you another 70 damage or so starfire cast. You can see that this adds up quickly and 20 crit for 5 people doesn’t stack up. This is especially true since I usually have a shadow priest and or a resto Shaman in my group.

For the Idol of the Raven Goddess to really become useful I think they will need to up the crit rates to somewhere around 40, and move the healing rate up to about 100.

]]> By: Bloodthorn http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/comment-page-1/#comment-2608 Bloodthorn Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:45:55 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/#comment-2608 I was pretty convinced that idols count as weapons, thus are interchangeable in combat... and that the boosts to crit only counts if you are in cat/moonkin form, thus it's only the treeform bonus that's interesting to resto :) I was pretty convinced that idols count as weapons, thus are interchangeable in combat…
and that the boosts to crit only counts if you are in cat/moonkin form, thus it’s only the treeform bonus that’s interesting to resto :)

]]> By: Leighbra http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/comment-page-1/#comment-2606 Leighbra Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:15:34 +0000 http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/14/mailbag-idol-of-the-raven-goddess/#comment-2606 Hey, that's me up there! lol You should have a "Feel free to disclose this, but edit everything I write so I don't sound like a goober" option too ;) We go to Gruul's on Friday, and since we always need to make a couple of tries, I think I'm gonna switch out my idols and see what happens; I'll keep a storm crow eye on the charts with both idols equipped. Thank you for helping me work through all this, and know what I need to be putting in the scales to make this decision. (Yes, that's a Libra reference, too!) I have a sneaky suspicion that it's not going to make or break us, either way. Do you have a guide regarding our different available idols? *hopes and/or hints* I know I've gotten a lot of use out of your trinket and aggro-reducing guides. ((Also, I have a macro that triggers my trinket (Essence of the Martyr), then NS, then LB. Yes, it pops me out of tree form, but, as it says in tiny letters on the macro button, it's my "ohsh**" macro. With a loverly crit *crosses fingers*, I can heal my almost dead tank for ~10k, and give myself time to get back into tree form.)) Hope you had a wonderful Valentine's day! Thank you for being here for us, I don't know what I would do without you (lose a lot more sleep, I expect) Hey, that’s me up there! lol You should have a “Feel free to disclose this, but edit everything I write so I don’t sound like a goober” option too ;)

We go to Gruul’s on Friday, and since we always need to make a couple of tries, I think I’m gonna switch out my idols and see what happens; I’ll keep a storm crow eye on the charts with both idols equipped. Thank you for helping me work through all this, and know what I need to be putting in the scales to make this decision. (Yes, that’s a Libra reference, too!) I have a sneaky suspicion that it’s not going to make or break us, either way.

Do you have a guide regarding our different available idols? *hopes and/or hints* I know I’ve gotten a lot of use out of your trinket and aggro-reducing guides.

((Also, I have a macro that triggers my trinket (Essence of the Martyr), then NS, then LB. Yes, it pops me out of tree form, but, as it says in tiny letters on the macro button, it’s my “ohsh**” macro. With a loverly crit *crosses fingers*, I can heal my almost dead tank for ~10k, and give myself time to get back into tree form.))

Hope you had a wonderful Valentine’s day! Thank you for being here for us, I don’t know what I would do without you (lose a lot more sleep, I expect)

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