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		<title>By: Phaelia</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/09/patch-24-official-class-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2540</link>
		<dc:creator>Phaelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Everyone excited about a new theorycraft article: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.healerlfg.com/index.php/2008/02/12/news-from-the-ptr-intellect-spirit-regen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brelaine from HealerLFG&lt;/a&gt; has beaten me to it! I&#039;ll be posting a response to her great post shortly, though it&#039;s a bit light on the theorycraft and more about mana regeneration and how it&#039;s affected post-TBC content. As for my slackertude, after failing to copy my character for a full day, I sort of gave up and decided to wait for some numbers. It never occurred to me to look at ElitistJerks. ^_^

@Saba: It would sure be a nice change to have more than one Idol to choose from. As it is, I can&#039;t imagine using anything but the Idol of the Emerald Queen which is a non-heroic BLUE drop. /sigh More choice is ALWAYS welcome. I&#039;m so glad to hear that your guild will be able to benefit from the attunement changes. IMO, if your guild is able to beat Vashj/Kael, you&#039;ve more than earned the &quot;right&quot; to enter BT!

@Kaera: That&#039;s so awesome! I&#039;m still surprised, but I&#039;ll happily take any buffs that are thrown our way. While many Druids would likely claim that a buff to the bloom portion is mostly ineffectual, it will still be tremendously helpful for throwing Lifeblooms to help with raid healing. Thanks for the math!

@Sydera: I&#039;ll be reconsidering the Pendant, too! This also makes all those items that favor Spirit/Intellect/Stamina stat allocation with some +Healing more favorable than those that that are more purely +Healing.

@Zackoria: I&#039;m relieved at the Idol of the Unseen Moon change. That was moronic in the first place.

@Hikilune: This Tree supports Feral buffs, particularly in PvP. After all, many Ferals picked their spec based on a desire to PvP!

@Lapyx: Hey, thanks! I love it. Though Ireth totally deserved what he got for asking for a heal! Harumph! =)

@Sorayn: Thanks! /copies and pastes for later use

@Adremma: So Spirit is becoming even &lt;em&gt;better&lt;/em&gt; than MP5. It won&#039;t be long until people are crying over MP5 being overvalued, at least for Druids and Priests. Of course, having different priorities in terms of gear selection isn&#039;t necessarily a bad thing. I know Shamans and Paladins still love MP5 and avoid Spirit like the plague.

@Simon: The nerf to drinking was good prediction. It should soundly reduce Druid standings in 2v2, while naturally doing nothing to address the disparity in 5v5.

@Bullar: Great info on Nature&#039;s Grace. I&#039;ve never been able to bring myself to try out that talent, but it&#039;s a lot more attractive now that it affects the GCD. I just can&#039;t imagine getting enough crit in healing gear to make much use of it. Even with the +50% crit to Regrowth, I don&#039;t cast that spell enough to really benefit from the synergy (and you sacrifice a LOT to pick up both). Still, it&#039;s something to consider ...

@Big Bear Butt: Don&#039;t worry about it! You&#039;ve done so much for Resto4Life in terms of WI exposure that I could never ever fault you for missing me on a particular topic! I hope your kids get better soon! =)

@Falina: I hadn&#039;t noticed that. A quick filter on WoWHead for just Healing items yields: 4 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&amp;filter=qu=4;cr=118:119;crs=29434:1;crv=0:0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Heroic Badge Rewards&lt;/a&gt;, and 4 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&amp;filter=qu=4;cr=16:119;crs=3805:1;crv=0:0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Zul&#039;Aman drops&lt;/a&gt;, and 3 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&amp;filter=qu=4;cr=16:119;crs=3606:1;crv=0:0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;items from Mount Hyjal&lt;/a&gt;. All of these items have Spirit on them. But if we filter for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&amp;filter=qu=4;cr=16:119;crs=3959:1;crv=0:0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Black Temple rewards&lt;/a&gt;, 4 out of 6 of those items are missing Spirit altogether, 3 of which seem to have spent those stat points on spell haste. Nonetheless, it looks like there&#039;s still a fair amount of Spirit to be had, as long as you aren&#039;t looking to pick up a ton of spell haste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Everyone excited about a new theorycraft article: <a href="http://www.healerlfg.com/index.php/2008/02/12/news-from-the-ptr-intellect-spirit-regen" rel="nofollow">Brelaine from HealerLFG</a> has beaten me to it! I&#8217;ll be posting a response to her great post shortly, though it&#8217;s a bit light on the theorycraft and more about mana regeneration and how it&#8217;s affected post-TBC content. As for my slackertude, after failing to copy my character for a full day, I sort of gave up and decided to wait for some numbers. It never occurred to me to look at ElitistJerks. ^_^</p>
<p>@Saba: It would sure be a nice change to have more than one Idol to choose from. As it is, I can&#8217;t imagine using anything but the Idol of the Emerald Queen which is a non-heroic BLUE drop. /sigh More choice is ALWAYS welcome. I&#8217;m so glad to hear that your guild will be able to benefit from the attunement changes. IMO, if your guild is able to beat Vashj/Kael, you&#8217;ve more than earned the &#8220;right&#8221; to enter BT!</p>
<p>@Kaera: That&#8217;s so awesome! I&#8217;m still surprised, but I&#8217;ll happily take any buffs that are thrown our way. While many Druids would likely claim that a buff to the bloom portion is mostly ineffectual, it will still be tremendously helpful for throwing Lifeblooms to help with raid healing. Thanks for the math!</p>
<p>@Sydera: I&#8217;ll be reconsidering the Pendant, too! This also makes all those items that favor Spirit/Intellect/Stamina stat allocation with some +Healing more favorable than those that that are more purely +Healing.</p>
<p>@Zackoria: I&#8217;m relieved at the Idol of the Unseen Moon change. That was moronic in the first place.</p>
<p>@Hikilune: This Tree supports Feral buffs, particularly in PvP. After all, many Ferals picked their spec based on a desire to PvP!</p>
<p>@Lapyx: Hey, thanks! I love it. Though Ireth totally deserved what he got for asking for a heal! Harumph! =)</p>
<p>@Sorayn: Thanks! /copies and pastes for later use</p>
<p>@Adremma: So Spirit is becoming even <em>better</em> than MP5. It won&#8217;t be long until people are crying over MP5 being overvalued, at least for Druids and Priests. Of course, having different priorities in terms of gear selection isn&#8217;t necessarily a bad thing. I know Shamans and Paladins still love MP5 and avoid Spirit like the plague.</p>
<p>@Simon: The nerf to drinking was good prediction. It should soundly reduce Druid standings in 2v2, while naturally doing nothing to address the disparity in 5v5.</p>
<p>@Bullar: Great info on Nature&#8217;s Grace. I&#8217;ve never been able to bring myself to try out that talent, but it&#8217;s a lot more attractive now that it affects the GCD. I just can&#8217;t imagine getting enough crit in healing gear to make much use of it. Even with the +50% crit to Regrowth, I don&#8217;t cast that spell enough to really benefit from the synergy (and you sacrifice a LOT to pick up both). Still, it&#8217;s something to consider &#8230;</p>
<p>@Big Bear Butt: Don&#8217;t worry about it! You&#8217;ve done so much for Resto4Life in terms of WI exposure that I could never ever fault you for missing me on a particular topic! I hope your kids get better soon! =)</p>
<p>@Falina: I hadn&#8217;t noticed that. A quick filter on WoWHead for just Healing items yields: 4 <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&#038;filter=qu=4;cr=118:119;crs=29434:1;crv=0:0" rel="nofollow">Heroic Badge Rewards</a>, and 4 <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&#038;filter=qu=4;cr=16:119;crs=3805:1;crv=0:0" rel="nofollow">Zul&#8217;Aman drops</a>, and 3 <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&#038;filter=qu=4;cr=16:119;crs=3606:1;crv=0:0" rel="nofollow">items from Mount Hyjal</a>. All of these items have Spirit on them. But if we filter for <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&#038;filter=qu=4;cr=16:119;crs=3959:1;crv=0:0" rel="nofollow">Black Temple rewards</a>, 4 out of 6 of those items are missing Spirit altogether, 3 of which seem to have spent those stat points on spell haste. Nonetheless, it looks like there&#8217;s still a fair amount of Spirit to be had, as long as you aren&#8217;t looking to pick up a ton of spell haste.</p>
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		<title>By: Falina</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/09/patch-24-official-class-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2538</link>
		<dc:creator>Falina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>have any of you noticed that all the gear from SSC up until BT including the new Za gear does not have any spirit on it or very little, so my point is they are increasing it because most leather gear doesnt have spirit... its like they are trying to slowly make us switch to a resto/balance spec...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have any of you noticed that all the gear from SSC up until BT including the new Za gear does not have any spirit on it or very little, so my point is they are increasing it because most leather gear doesnt have spirit&#8230; its like they are trying to slowly make us switch to a resto/balance spec&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bear Butt</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/09/patch-24-official-class-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2533</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Bear Butt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh shoot...

Okay, so when I just finished writing my WoW Insider article on patch changes, I didn&#039;t see this... I&#039;m sorry, it&#039;s been a crazy week, and I haven&#039;t been keeping up with my favorite blogs like I should. I plead sick kids and too many commitments... when what I need is just to be committed. To an institution.

I&#039;m sorry.

I&#039;ll make sure and put a post up on my blog that you have an awesome take on the patch changes going on here, and a very nice community discussion about it too.

Mea culpa! damn it, I try and stay up on who is talking about what, and then blow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh shoot&#8230;</p>
<p>Okay, so when I just finished writing my WoW Insider article on patch changes, I didn&#8217;t see this&#8230; I&#8217;m sorry, it&#8217;s been a crazy week, and I haven&#8217;t been keeping up with my favorite blogs like I should. I plead sick kids and too many commitments&#8230; when what I need is just to be committed. To an institution.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll make sure and put a post up on my blog that you have an awesome take on the patch changes going on here, and a very nice community discussion about it too.</p>
<p>Mea culpa! damn it, I try and stay up on who is talking about what, and then blow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bullar</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/09/patch-24-official-class-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2531</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed they did nerf arena drinking a bit. Seems you will get very little regen initially but the longer you drink the faster the regen.

Also as a side note some druids are stating that the balance talent Natures Grace does indeed lower the GCD now. It seems that currently the GCD will stay at 1 for instant cast spells for the duration of the buff. I imagine this will be tweaked but this could be pretty nice for us hybrids healers who have this talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed they did nerf arena drinking a bit. Seems you will get very little regen initially but the longer you drink the faster the regen.</p>
<p>Also as a side note some druids are stating that the balance talent Natures Grace does indeed lower the GCD now. It seems that currently the GCD will stay at 1 for instant cast spells for the duration of the buff. I imagine this will be tweaked but this could be pretty nice for us hybrids healers who have this talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Simoncowell</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/09/patch-24-official-class-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2530</link>
		<dc:creator>Simoncowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the official patch notes do make the &quot;fake&quot; changes improbable, they did mention that there would be class adjustments throughout the PTR.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see some significant nerf to resto druids, from an arena standpoint, before 2.4 is live.  If nothing else, then maybe a nerf to night elves and shadowmeld drinking.

It will be interesting to see if they test any of the fake changes.  If they do, it will give a bit more validity to the theory that Blizzard is thinking about those modifications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the official patch notes do make the &#8220;fake&#8221; changes improbable, they did mention that there would be class adjustments throughout the PTR.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see some significant nerf to resto druids, from an arena standpoint, before 2.4 is live.  If nothing else, then maybe a nerf to night elves and shadowmeld drinking.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if they test any of the fake changes.  If they do, it will give a bit more validity to the theory that Blizzard is thinking about those modifications.</p>
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		<title>By: Adremma</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/09/patch-24-official-class-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2529</link>
		<dc:creator>Adremma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the one hand, doing the math for the new mana regen values is going to be a pain, with it depending directly on both int and spirit.

On the other, if the exact values stay the way they are now, the spirit vs. mp5 article could basically be a picture of a tree holding a sign reading &quot;spirit is better!&quot;

In Kara-ish gear, self-buffed only (459 int, 427 spirit, 53 mp5 from gear), I have 180 mp5 while casting on the PTR. Down an elixir of draenic wisdom (+30 int, +30 spirit, and another 4.5 spirit from Living Spirit: 489 int, 462 spirit total), that goes up to 195 mp5 while casting.

If you&#039;d prefer a example with just spirit, I popped the bangle of endless blessings instead (still 459 int, but 577 spirit: +150 total)... 225 mp5 while casting, an increase of 45 mp5. If this were in terms of always-on stats from gear, it&#039;d be a choice between 130 spirit or 52 mp5. Taking into account the difference in not-casting regen (629 vs. 479, a difference of 150), you&#039;d have to be under the 5-second rule.. 93% of the time? before the mp5 is still better. And that&#039;s without counting the gains from innervate (an extra 2996 mana every 6 minutes.. roughly 25 mp5?), which I believe puts us firmly into the &quot;lifebloom forever, and spirit&#039;s still better&quot; area.

Basically, I don&#039;t see how they can keep this the way it is, and so theorycrafting too heavily based on it seems a bit silly. http://elitistjerks.com/634066-post56.html seems to have the full, gory details, though, if someone really wants to crunch numbers :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the one hand, doing the math for the new mana regen values is going to be a pain, with it depending directly on both int and spirit.</p>
<p>On the other, if the exact values stay the way they are now, the spirit vs. mp5 article could basically be a picture of a tree holding a sign reading &#8220;spirit is better!&#8221;</p>
<p>In Kara-ish gear, self-buffed only (459 int, 427 spirit, 53 mp5 from gear), I have 180 mp5 while casting on the PTR. Down an elixir of draenic wisdom (+30 int, +30 spirit, and another 4.5 spirit from Living Spirit: 489 int, 462 spirit total), that goes up to 195 mp5 while casting.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d prefer a example with just spirit, I popped the bangle of endless blessings instead (still 459 int, but 577 spirit: +150 total)&#8230; 225 mp5 while casting, an increase of 45 mp5. If this were in terms of always-on stats from gear, it&#8217;d be a choice between 130 spirit or 52 mp5. Taking into account the difference in not-casting regen (629 vs. 479, a difference of 150), you&#8217;d have to be under the 5-second rule.. 93% of the time? before the mp5 is still better. And that&#8217;s without counting the gains from innervate (an extra 2996 mana every 6 minutes.. roughly 25 mp5?), which I believe puts us firmly into the &#8220;lifebloom forever, and spirit&#8217;s still better&#8221; area.</p>
<p>Basically, I don&#8217;t see how they can keep this the way it is, and so theorycrafting too heavily based on it seems a bit silly. <a href="http://elitistjerks.com/634066-post56.html" rel="nofollow">http://elitistjerks.com/634066-post56.html</a> seems to have the full, gory details, though, if someone really wants to crunch numbers <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sorayn</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/09/patch-24-official-class-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2528</link>
		<dc:creator>Sorayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new formula will see mana regen increase by about 30 mp/5 but I believe the stat will scale better with raid buffs (DS/Kings/AB).
The formula discerned by EJ is: 
(0.001 + (spirit* 0.009327 * (intellect^0.5))) * 5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new formula will see mana regen increase by about 30 mp/5 but I believe the stat will scale better with raid buffs (DS/Kings/AB).<br />
The formula discerned by EJ is:<br />
(0.001 + (spirit* 0.009327 * (intellect^0.5))) * 5</p>
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		<title>By: Lapyx</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/09/patch-24-official-class-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2526</link>
		<dc:creator>Lapyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/02/11

Saw this and had to share with other druids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/02/11" rel="nofollow">http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/02/11</a></p>
<p>Saw this and had to share with other druids.</p>
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		<title>By: Hikilune</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/09/patch-24-official-class-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2524</link>
		<dc:creator>Hikilune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooooooooooh great...

Where are the enhancements of feral tree :&#039;(

In my humble opinion, and in a pvp point of view, I just see an improvement of the resto druid, despite the natural perfection thing...

Feral druid as to wait *again* to see a viability in arena...

Let&#039;s cry 2 months again \o/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooooooooooh great&#8230;</p>
<p>Where are the enhancements of feral tree :&#8217;(</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, and in a pvp point of view, I just see an improvement of the resto druid, despite the natural perfection thing&#8230;</p>
<p>Feral druid as to wait *again* to see a viability in arena&#8230;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s cry 2 months again \o/</p>
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		<title>By: Bellwether</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2008/02/09/patch-24-official-class-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2518</link>
		<dc:creator>Bellwether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dress got more beautiful! And I am more in love.

Mmm Love Struck buff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dress got more beautiful! And I am more in love.</p>
<p>Mmm Love Struck buff.</p>
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