Comments on: Why Horde Always Wins at PvP

By: Getting Our Balance

Getting Our Balance — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:40:41 +0000

[...] think this is a sign. Way back before I started playing the introduction of battlegrounds forced faction population balance. Back when only world PVP existed players talk about the faction imbalance as though Alliance [...]

By: Epikbubblez

Epikbubblez — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:16:52 +0000

1 year later and it’s still the same. I went to 80 on a Tauren warrior and I just hit 50 on a Draenei paladin. Horde seemed to always win on my Tauren and on my Draenei.

Alliance seems to get 2 – 3 shotted while each Horde player takes 3 of us to pull down. AB is always the same: Cap 1 base and lost it, Horde takes all 5 and camps us at GY. At least the matches are quick.

By: Aldax

Aldax — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:28:46 +0000

I wanted to add (and ask) that I suspect that something may have changed after patch 3.03
I was used to loosing most battles at AB and WSG with my lvl 39 twink hunter. After the patch, we are suddenly winning most matches on AB and many on WSG as well.
Did anyone else experience the same?

By: bob

bob — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:31:06 +0000

I think this post is not true why did alliance reroll horde because there was finally something where the alliance couldnt just gank us so we could finally get some balanced pvp in and alliance never had a chance to fight us in balanced pvp. this is not true on all servers but on the 1 i am on it is

P.S. yes my main is a horde xD i tryed to be fair though

By: Kazim

Kazim — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:13:22 +0000

Ive been doing my own research on this issue. I played lvl60 bgs when tbc was allready out and my statistics say that chances for alliance are about 70% to lose in EVERY bg including AV.

ABOUT 60 BG:
When i lvled up to 70 and started 70bgs alliances chances to lose AV was 30% other AVs stayed the same as 60bg.
Reason is that if you kill Galv/Balinda at 60AV you win, killing Drek or Van is not an option at 60. Fact is that Balinda is cloth wearer and Galvangar is plate, Balinda is easier to kill than Galv and thats a well proven fact and nobody can say that its because hordes are more organised and heal eachother or have better gear or something.

ABOUT 70 BG:
Galvangar/Balinda difference is not so obvious because it takes less ppl to kill Galv/Balinda at 70av than 60av and killing them at 60 takes about 3-5 min but at 70 takes only about 1min even less.

Another profen fact is that if you play at midnight you have 50% chance of winning any BG as ally thats a lot bigger chance than playing during the day the reason is that the average age of players of both sides grows at midnight therefore alliance loses their noob kids who only run and attack first horde they see after ress.

Reason why alliance winning AV – map / location / boss spells disadvantage for hordes
Reason why alliance loses AB,WSG,EOTS – lower average age.

So this is why alliance wins AV and loses everything else at 70.

Everything i said are statistics i made, this is not just my opinion those are proven facts. I didnt mention all the reasons of winning/losing (like Galv/Balinda spells and HP/armor count, Hordes starting area at AV, psychologiccal effect in AB map – higher LM-left for hordes, lower GM-left for allys, way to LM/BS from farm seems more straight fpr hordes).

The final conclusion is that hordes win BGs because their average age – therefore skill – therefore better organization and teamplay. They dont win 70AV a lot because the map is made such way (towers/bunkers accesibility, starting area, alliance bridge disadvantage) if the sides were switched im sure hordes would win every AV if the would have the allys side as theirs.

Sorry for my english im not native english speaker.

By: Phaelia

Phaelia — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:21:28 +0000

@Don: Alliance has typically done better in AV than Horde. The most recent set of updates did seem to help even the playing field, though. When I was PvPing after the change, I saw about a 50-50 win/loss record, but admittedly only really lost to premades. (Horde runs a LOT of premades in AV, though!) Phaelias last blog post..Runy and Phae Get Their Nethers in a Twist

By: Don

Don — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:42:32 +0000

I have been playing the game for about a year now. I started with a BElf mage as my first toon, and although I leveled all the way to 70 and grinded out endless battlegrounds, I really thought this toon was WAY boring to play. So I made a Tauren resto druid. I love this character–I should have started with a druid a year ago. But something is amiss in the World of Warcraft… the horde almost always loses in Alterac Valley these days. I never had such troubles with my mage, every battleground was the same win over and over. Today, I read this post for the first time, right after having lost 19 AV matches in a row. I know that the horde now begins AV a little further to the south, and this could help even the playing field a bit, but I expected more of a fifty-fifty split between wins and losses. What happened?

By: Phaelia

Phaelia — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:16:02 +0000

@Michael: That’s definitely an interesting change — and an understandable effect of giving Horde a “pretty” race. (I happen to be of the school of thought that such a change had other, positive benefits like helping the Horde retain players long term since two relationship partners were more likely to find something they liked.) I do think Nelson makes a good point, though; one side shouldn’t get to be asshat free.

I do think the addition of Blood Elves has helped distribute the wins/losses more evenly, even with the superior PvP racials of the Horde side (Arathi is still pretty much pointless, though). I know I enjoy killing BElves more than any other race (even Undead)!

By: Nelson

Nelson — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:49:17 +0000

Michael, you’re talking about the vanity aspect of the game. What you did not point out is, this has -always- been a distraction on the Alliance side. Since beta, Human and Night Elf female models have been stared at by often adolescent and usually very lonely people… who either forget to focus on the game at hand, or never intended to, or just suck in general. Enter Burning Crusade. Suddenly the Horde faction has one (1) race with a similar appeal… because, let’s face it: the mothers of all Orcs, Tauren, and Undead are constantly crying over how butt-ugly their children are. You lament those rolling Blood Elves to look at their behinds; my friend, on Alliance side, since day one we have been victimized by the 8 year old girls who roll hunter to play with their pets, the 12 year old boys who roll any NE or Human female to take their clothes off and dance “naked.” This is very old news. Granted, many rolled new Blood Elves immediately upon BC release due to their newness, and many more due to the visual appeal of the model, but after a while this has all balanced out. And the net result is, more races on the Alliance side continue to have this vanity distraction to deal with, and Alliance suffers the larger handicap because of it.

By: michael

michael — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:40:14 +0000

Let me give this to you from the perception of a horde for life player (ive never played alliance, and I have been playing since week 1).

I used to love to BG; there WERE queue times for horde, I can assure you. Maybe not 2 hours but it wasnt uncommon to wait 10-15 min for one to pop. I used to love BGs because the horde were older, saner, less l33t d3wd people that generally had an idea how to succeed at goals. Working together was not a foreign concept.

All that changed when BC came out. For the resons many of you mentioned above, lots of Alliance rerolled Horde. Yes, it is true, we did get some of the skilled alliance PVPers on the horde side. What you dont see, and is the endless source of my frustration, is that we ALSO got the little kids who now wanted to stare at a female BE behind instead of a female NE one. I can tell you with great certainty that the latter FAR outnumbered the former. Consequently the skill of horde PVP *worsened* by a very large factor. For every 1 skilled player that made the switch I daresay we got 20 who were NE hunters and now are BE ones, and I think I am being very conservative with that estimate.