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	<title>Comments on: Forum Watch: Druids Don&#8217;t Lack Crowd Control</title>
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		<title>By: Phaelia</title>
		<link>http://www.resto4life.com/2007/08/18/forum-watch-druids-dont-lack-crowd-control/comment-page-1/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>Phaelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make an excellent point about giving Boomkin Polymorph. I do like your solution (increasing the time limit on Cyclone in PvE only) or would suggest making the &lt;i&gt;Polymorph: Plant&lt;/i&gt; spell only work in PvE (because I think it&#039;s just too cool to give up).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I disagree that giving Restos some form of CC would make up for not having a rez. I play a healer, not a crowd controller. I don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to be responsible for healing my group AND keeping a mob locked down! =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make an excellent point about giving Boomkin Polymorph. I do like your solution (increasing the time limit on Cyclone in PvE only) or would suggest making the <i>Polymorph: Plant</i> spell only work in PvE (because I think it&#8217;s just too cool to give up).</p>
<p>I disagree that giving Restos some form of CC would make up for not having a rez. I play a healer, not a crowd controller. I don&#8217;t <i>want</i> to be responsible for healing my group AND keeping a mob locked down! =)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: I have a 70 retired gladiator mage&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The problem with giving a Poly:plant would be the INSANE CC a boomkin would have while retaining the ability to heal and being in plate armor.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Imagine this (bit extreme scenario):&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;cyclone someone, sleep a pet/feral druid, root some helpless warrior, recyclone, apply polymorph, continue to cycle CCs between targets&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A wellplayed boomkin would have upwards of 4 CC abilities up at once, sleep roots and poly all being 12 sec and cyclone being 6.  Thats honestly pretty extreme in a pvp setting.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think a better solution would be to make cyclone last, say, 20 seconds with no DR in PvE while retaining it&#039;s same extreme DR in PvP.  That way it&#039;s not as &#039;good&#039; as polymorph (need to reapply more often, makes target immune so if it&#039;s the last target the group may have to stand around waiting for it to break), but it is still a viable PvE tool.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would make up for restos not having a rez too... a resto who can CC would be fantastic :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-Fleet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: I have a 70 retired gladiator mage</p>
<p>The problem with giving a Poly:plant would be the INSANE CC a boomkin would have while retaining the ability to heal and being in plate armor.</p>
<p>Imagine this (bit extreme scenario):</p>
<p>cyclone someone, sleep a pet/feral druid, root some helpless warrior, recyclone, apply polymorph, continue to cycle CCs between targets</p>
<p>A wellplayed boomkin would have upwards of 4 CC abilities up at once, sleep roots and poly all being 12 sec and cyclone being 6.  Thats honestly pretty extreme in a pvp setting.</p>
<p>I think a better solution would be to make cyclone last, say, 20 seconds with no DR in PvE while retaining it&#8217;s same extreme DR in PvP.  That way it&#8217;s not as &#8216;good&#8217; as polymorph (need to reapply more often, makes target immune so if it&#8217;s the last target the group may have to stand around waiting for it to break), but it is still a viable PvE tool.</p>
<p>Would make up for restos not having a rez too&#8230; a resto who can CC would be fantastic <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-Fleet</p>
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		<title>By: Phaelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phaelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pesce:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for commenting! I am definitely sympathetic to the troubles of Balance specced Druids. I would hate if you guys all threw in the towel and specced Restoration! Just think of the loot compe-- I mean ... BoomBoom for life, right? :-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I love PvP scenarios like the one you described. My husband (a Warrior) and I have had a couple of similar encounters, usually in Alterac Valley. Druids are sorta like the Spanish Inquisition. They never expect us (to win)!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Aiuriun:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Surely mages couldn&#039;t complain too loudly were the Polymorph:Plant ability a 51-point talent with WotLK. Or at least ... Blizzard could drown out their cries. After all, Druids are finally considered comparable tanks to Warriors. Why shouldn&#039;t they also have the potential (if specced so deeply for it) to be similarly comparable to Mages? =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pesce:</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting! I am definitely sympathetic to the troubles of Balance specced Druids. I would hate if you guys all threw in the towel and specced Restoration! Just think of the loot compe&#8211; I mean &#8230; BoomBoom for life, right? <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I love PvP scenarios like the one you described. My husband (a Warrior) and I have had a couple of similar encounters, usually in Alterac Valley. Druids are sorta like the Spanish Inquisition. They never expect us (to win)!</p>
<p>Aiuriun:</p>
<p>Surely mages couldn&#8217;t complain too loudly were the Polymorph:Plant ability a 51-point talent with WotLK. Or at least &#8230; Blizzard could drown out their cries. After all, Druids are finally considered comparable tanks to Warriors. Why shouldn&#8217;t they also have the potential (if specced so deeply for it) to be similarly comparable to Mages? =)</p>
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		<title>By: Aiuriun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aiuriun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much hit the nail on the head. It&#039;s really hard to CC things that are immune to our abilities or located in areas where they cannot be used.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hate how most of the problems with Druids always come back to design oversights such as itemization and in this case, resists and location dependency. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know Mages can&#039;t sheep undead or demons, but they can still sheep humanoids and beasts while indoors.  A poly: plant would be very cool, but I see a lot of trouble coming from Mages if this is a 30+ talent for boomkins. I&#039;m sure there would be the normal knee-jerk reaction about Druids stealing their &quot;job.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Another great posting.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;~Aiuriun&lt;br/&gt;Spinebreaker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much hit the nail on the head. It&#8217;s really hard to CC things that are immune to our abilities or located in areas where they cannot be used.</p>
<p>I hate how most of the problems with Druids always come back to design oversights such as itemization and in this case, resists and location dependency. </p>
<p>I know Mages can&#8217;t sheep undead or demons, but they can still sheep humanoids and beasts while indoors.  A poly: plant would be very cool, but I see a lot of trouble coming from Mages if this is a 30+ talent for boomkins. I&#8217;m sure there would be the normal knee-jerk reaction about Druids stealing their &#8220;job.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another great posting.</p>
<p>~Aiuriun<br />Spinebreaker</p>
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		<title>By: Pesce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pesce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good points, thank you. As a Balance Druid who knows what it&#039;s like getting rejected for the top instances, having others recognize our shortcomings, and hopefully working to have them resolved, is comforting. Root would also be nice for some outdoor arenas/dungeons. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a side note, I had fun on one encounter within Arathi Basin. Me and a Rogue guarded the mine. Lumbering in our direction comes a Turin Warrior, Priest, Hunter, and Mage. We&#039;re doomed, right? Not so fast.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From stealth, I rooted the warrior, slept the hunters kitty, cyclone’d the priest, and my rogue counterpart destroyed the mage. The hunter followed his friend’s fate quickly, and as I spammed cyclone on the poor priest, the warrior barely got a swing off. If a toon priest could wet himself, I&#039;m sure this one did.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Have fun, and great site.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Pesce&lt;br/&gt;Special Forces&lt;br/&gt;Alexstraza&lt;br/&gt;(100% Druid Guild 150 members strong)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points, thank you. As a Balance Druid who knows what it&#8217;s like getting rejected for the top instances, having others recognize our shortcomings, and hopefully working to have them resolved, is comforting. Root would also be nice for some outdoor arenas/dungeons. </p>
<p>As a side note, I had fun on one encounter within Arathi Basin. Me and a Rogue guarded the mine. Lumbering in our direction comes a Turin Warrior, Priest, Hunter, and Mage. We&#8217;re doomed, right? Not so fast.</p>
<p>From stealth, I rooted the warrior, slept the hunters kitty, cyclone’d the priest, and my rogue counterpart destroyed the mage. The hunter followed his friend’s fate quickly, and as I spammed cyclone on the poor priest, the warrior barely got a swing off. If a toon priest could wet himself, I&#8217;m sure this one did.</p>
<p>Have fun, and great site.</p>
<p>Pesce<br />Special Forces<br />Alexstraza<br />(100% Druid Guild 150 members strong)</p>
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		<title>By: Phaelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phaelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Fleethoof! =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Fleethoof! =)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your last few articles have been good reads :) Nice advise to new 70 restos too!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-Fleet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your last few articles have been good reads <img src='http://www.resto4life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Nice advise to new 70 restos too!</p>
<p>-Fleet</p>
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